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My 11 YO nephew and his first deer. One shot, 192 yards. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

As my attorney friend always says: "Reasonable doubt at a reasonable price". "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

In all seriousness, there is a correct time end place for things...... "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Question for the moderators: Is calling someone a "wanker" considered a personal attack? How about "dickwad", "fucktard"? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

He was referring to a propstrike against a metal pole in a hangar by a jump plane at his DZ. It appears that his prior concern was that the engine on the plane might not be inspected for damage incident to the propstrike. Propstrikes can damage the crankshaft. I think he was writing to say that the engine was subsequently inspected during prop replacement, and that the plane was safe and the DZ was properly maintaining their plane, and that that prior message should not be inferred to mean otherwise. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

The jello thing only happens in parks located in Utah. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Any idea what they do with the confiscated gear? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Its just the license plate number on one of my cars. The car is a model 912, year 1969. Sorry - I'm not too creative when it comes to screen names. Thank You, Jim "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

NickDG, "damaging the image.." may have been poorly phrased. Any publicity of unapproved activities is bad for the activity, whether good or bad. Ideally there would be no reason for anyone other than successful jumpers to know that a jump has been done. As far as BASE being secret in light of all the film clips, etc. on TV, I think that most people are of the opinion that it is only practiced on rare occasions by "stuntpersons" for special event or movie footage. The frequency of jumps and the number of persons associated with BASE are most certainly not well known. The first time I crossed Sx just after it was built, my first thought was that it would be a great place for jumping. It was not until ~20 yrs. later, after meeting BASE#XXX, that I found out it is regularly done. Ditto for an A and an E. More interesting, though, are your comments about "the old days" (not quoting) and now. Mainstreaming and public acceptance of an activity are not necessarily good for the activity, especially when sites are so limited and the results of either poor performance or bad luck are so severe. It would be interesting to see a thread on the future of the activity concentrating on how mainstreaming and public acceptance might be in conflict with the philosophy of most practitioners, who are definitely NOT in it for publicity, accepted or not. Thanks Jim "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Would you enforce a law you do not personally believe in? Nope. One reason I could never be a cop. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Good point. Naming a site could cause someone living nearby to say "I can do that", go out and buy surplus military gear at a flea market, then get hurt, or worse. The incident will then be reported in the media as "BASE jumper....", damaging the image of your sport. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Its somewhere in between though in a way more intimate than regular sex. More importantly: Why did it have to non-casual when I was in High School? Is SOLO Oral Sex considered sex?

What does "dolphin" mean. I assume BOC means Bottom Of Container? thanks "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

I guess I was really wondering if they even HAD ripcords for modern gear. Looks like they do. Thanks, Jim "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Sorry. Not recently, but when I was 21 the cat I had since 6 years old died. 24 years later it still makes me wanna EDIT: IGNORE "WANNA" cry to think about it. Didn't get another cat(s) until 10 years ago. I hate to think of the day when they get old and die, but whaddaya do? You helped your pup have a good life. Just hang in there. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

On a student's first solo deployment, say during static line progression, does she/he toss out a pilot chute or use a "ripcord"? If a ripcord is used, at what point would one transition to the pilot chute method? thanks "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

This was in ~1980. Round (military?, definitely not a sport canopy, like ParaCommander) canopy. Landing felt like jumping off the roof of a house. Probably pooched my plf's somewhat, though! It was in a windy area, which left a lot of crappy student days. Steering instruction was given to students under canopy by a dz guy rotating a giant wind triangle, which was really cool and easy to follow. Those are the only two dislikes I had and with the "new" canopies used in training today, they probably are much less of an issue. Those two and deciding to go to college ($) are the reasons. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Oh, yeah, check out the 20 Oct. Sacramento Bee newspaper, local/metro news. sacbee.com Something really bizarre happened at a big thing upriver from Sacramento. Edit: Mod, would it be proper to post a link to the story? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

I hope it didn't sound like I was thrashing on anyone on the List. They were developing something new and very unforgiving. Anyway, thanks to you folks for the info. I have years to study, think, etc. before even possibly being ready to give it a try. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

First, thanks to you all for being willing to post advice for new people. I have zero experience and am here to learn as much as possible. It seems that risk mitigation is the key here. After reading the List several times, it appears as though using the right gear incl. boots, helmet, etc., being REALLY good at sub-term tracking, opening, canopy control, off-heading recovery, line twist recovery, and landing, plus taking a course, using a good mentor and good judgement would eliminate a good chunk of the accidents on the List. Again, I don't know sht, but there seems to be a lot of "i wouldn't have done that"s on the List. It cannot be that simple, though, right? When flying airplanes, it seems pretty easy to avoid 75% of the causes of accidents by having fuel, staying out of weather, and being careful. Same with climbing; double check anchors, use good judgement, don't go beyond your abilities, etc. Are the kind of comparisons above of any value in BASE? Sorry to be so uninformed, but if I do try BASE someday, I want to have as much knowledge as possible. Thanks! "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

A little off-topic, but there was another book I read in grade school about a guy that punched out of a fighter or something and got caught in a thunderstorm for some incredible amount of time. Updrafts, I guess. Beat the heck out of him, but he lived. Can't remember the book name though. Edit to add: markharju, it sounds like you have talked to Col. Joe. What an honor! Those old-timers really pushed the edge in their research and have saved many lives as a result. Cool. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

They'd find a way to get in trouble anyway! "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

I WAS a cool thing to do. And no. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Some wanker chucked it off an overpass or out of a car. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG

Thanks markharju, My boyhood (and forever) heroes include Kittinger, Yeager, Stapp, etc. What Col. Kittinger did was amazing, and was instrumental in developing the safety equipment needed for military aircraft as well as spacecraft. I have not read the book, "Long Lonely Leap" in a while, but was it THE Tom Wolfe that was a co-author? Also, Col. Kittinger is welcome to post here. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG