StreetScooby

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I think the day that word loses it's power would be a good day for black people. . .

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Why is the ability to call these people niggers so important to you?

The entire point of this thread has been how to refer to that small fraction of the 13% of blacks who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America.

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I'll do that as soon as you address the problem that almost all violent criminals are males. (88% of murderers are male, and 96% of domestic abusers are male.) You are a male; what are you going to do to stop your ilk from killing people?

You can be pretty silly sometimes in your replies, especially when you decide to play word games, which you're pretty good at.

So, here we are. What have we accomplished in this thread?

First of, there has been no hate speech here, and you need to stop making reference to that. If that's what you've been seeing, billvon, you yourself have a warped lens and I encourage you to reassess that. I don't think you can.

Our country now has a small fraction of blacks, who themselves in total make up 13% of the population, the bulk of that small fraction who are males (...that's for billvon), that are committing 50% of the crime in this country.

And we can only refer to them as:
1) "that-word-white-people-cannot-use"
2) thugs
3) low lifes

I think we've gotten as far as we can here.

Interesting article in IBD today

Walter E. Williams: The Decline Of Civility In America


Walter E. Williams: The Decline Of Civility In America

WALTER E. WILLIAMS
8/10/2016

One of the unavoidable consequences of youth is the tendency to think behavior we see today has always been. I'd like to dispute that vision, at least as it pertains to black people.

I graduated from Philadelphia's Benjamin Franklin High School in 1954. Franklin's predominantly black students were from the poorest North Philadelphia neighborhoods. During those days, there were no policemen patrolling the hallways.

Today close to 400 police patrol Philadelphia schools. There were occasional after-school fights -- rumbles, as we called them -- but within the school, there was order. In contrast with today, students didn't use foul language to teachers, much less assault them.

Places such as the Richard Allen housing project, where I lived, became some of the most dangerous and dysfunctional places in Philadelphia. Mayhem -- in the form of murders, shootings and assaults -- became routine.

By the 1980s, residents found that they had to have window bars and multiple locks. The 1940s and '50s Richard Allen project, as well as other projects, bore no relation to what they became. Many people never locked their doors; windows weren't barred. We did not go to bed with the sound of gunshots. Most of the residents were two-parent families with one or both parents working.

How might one explain the greater civility of Philadelphia and other big-city, predominantly black neighborhoods and schools during earlier periods compared with today?

Would anyone argue that during the '40s and '50s, there was less racial discrimination and poverty? Was academic performance higher because there were greater opportunities? Was civility in school greater in earlier periods because black students had more black role models in the form of black principals, teachers and guidance counselors?

That's nonsense, at least in northern schools. In my case, I had no more than three black teachers throughout primary and secondary school.

Starting in the 1960s, the values that made for civility came under attack. Corporal punishment was banned. This was the time when the education establishment and liberals launched their agenda that undermined lessons children learned from their parents and the church.

Sex education classes undermined family/church strictures against premarital sex. Lessons of abstinence were ridiculed, considered passe, and replaced with lessons about condoms, birth control pills and abortion.

Further undermining of parental authority came with legal and extralegal measures to assist teenage abortions, often with neither parental knowledge nor parental consent.

Customs, traditions, moral values and rules of etiquette are behavioral norms, transmitted mostly by example, word of mouth and religious teachings. As such, they represent a body of wisdom distilled through the ages by experience and trial and error.

The nation's liberals -- along with the education establishment, pseudo-intellectuals and the courts -- have waged war on traditions, customs and moral values. Many people have been counseled to believe that there are no moral absolutes. Instead, what's moral or immoral is a matter of personal convenience, personal opinion, what feels good or what is or is not criminal.

We no longer condemn or shame self-destructive and rude behavior, such as out-of-wedlock pregnancies, dependency, cheating and lying. We have replaced what worked with what sounds good. The abandonment of traditional values has negatively affected the nation as a whole, but blacks have borne the greater burden. This is seen by the decline in the percentage of black two-parent families.

Today a little over 30% of black children live in an intact family, where as early as the late 1800s, over 70% did. Black illegitimacy in 1938 was 11%, and that for whites was 3%. Today it's respectively 73% and 30%.

It is the height of dishonesty, as far as blacks are concerned, to blame our problems on slavery, how white people behave and racial discrimination. If those lies are not exposed, we will continue to look for external solutions when true solutions are internal. Those of us who are old enough to know better need to expose these lies.

Williams! is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

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Focus on the changeable for solutions, not the DNA.

And what would that be?

There are many ways to side slide. Which technique you use depends upon your body awareness, and your time in air. Next time you're in freefall, dip one of your knees, and let us know what happens. Be sure to just dip your knee, and not move any other part of your body.

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billvon - can we use the term "White Trash" in this forum?

I take from your lack of response to this question that "White Trash" is a phrase we can use in this forum. The hypocrisy is almost suffocating. Liberal philosophy is bankrupt, IMO.

I appreciate there are advertisers in this forum that drive part of your decision to not allow "that-word-white-people-cannot-use". Could it be that you, and and the advertisers, are part of the problem itself? How do we address that small fraction of the 13% of the population that is responsible for 50% of the crime in America? You have yet to come up with any suggestion what so ever. Can you?

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He was the valedictorian. He was also straightedge.

Outstanding! And congratulations on an excellent job raising your son. Clearly, his behavior wasn't an issue.

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and encouraging pre-judgment based on dress, and not behavior.

Behavior has been a strict focus of my discussion here, IMO.

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They also talk about poverty, and safety nets, and the unemployed, and providers for aid. Which makes sense; the web page is entitled "Paul Ryan on Welfare & Poverty" rather than "Paul Ryan on blacks" or "Paul Ryan on Muslims" or "Paul Ryan on unwed mothers."

Fair point, billvon.

What I want to talk about is that group of violent and uneducated people who are mired in poverty, subsisting off government funds for generations, and who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America.

I spend a regular amount of my time writing documents, for my own use and other interested parties. Real writers have my utmost respect. Here's a blank sheet of paper. Put words on that page that will engage your reader. Make them think, make them read the entire article. It's a tremendous skill. I wish I would have spent more time with my reading composition courses in college (...both of them
A fundamental principle in successful communication via the written word is: know your audience. Before I put any word to paper I develop a picture in my mind of those folks who will be reading the article. That takes effort, that takes times to actually talk to people who might read your writing. And, invariably, you must end up using some of their words in your writing.

My goal in this thread is to be able to have a conversation about that small fraction of the 13% of blacks in America who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America. Especially now that Obama has legitimized them, and their sympathizers are hunting cops. What phrase, hopefully concise phrase, can I use to discuss "them". Summarizing what folks have offered to date here includes:

1) "that-word-white-people-cannot-use" (...that's really not very concise)
2) thugs
3) low lifes

I'm asking for help of the thinking people still involved in this thread. Is there no other word out there for white people to use? Can we even have the discussion of their behavior that's needed badly in this country right now?

Blacks have their own word for this. It's concise, and very well defined. But, white people aren't allowed to use it. I'm beginning to think I'm bumping up against institutionalized hypocrisy, not only here, but in the rest of current American life.

And, adding to the difficulty, "those" folks aren't even going to be my audience. My audience is going to be Cottage-Officers, editors of newspapers, congressmen, and others.

I just want a simple concise word/phrase that describes that small fraction of blacks who are violent and uneducated, who seem to be becoming ever more self entitled.

Came across this article in The Atlantic. LBJ's "great society" used Appalachians as a starting point to sell his programs. This article goes into depth regarding the term "White Trash".

billvon - can we use the term "White Trash" in this forum?

The Original Underclass

I've been rooting around in "poverty program" descriptions. Here's a summary of Paul Ryan's poverty program from a liberal writer, and it's not unreasonable. It's a bit of a read, but worthwhile.

Paul Ryan on Welfare & Poverty

What is striking to me about this article is they only talk about "process". There is no audience definition, per se, i.e. "that-word-white-people-cannot-use".

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I like the term "low life".

I really don't like any of the words we've been coming up with here. And I'm really thankful there are still thinking people in this thread. Our country needs to have a serious discussion about behavior. When a small fraction of the black population is responsible for over 50% of the crime in the country, something is wrong. And, it's not the white man's fault.

I spent some cursory time looking at the verbiage surrounding various poverty programs. One particular case is Paul Ryan's plan. Here is one website for his plan (there are several):
The War on Poverty: 50 years later

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The Causes of Poverty
Family
Perhaps the single most important determinant of poverty is family structure. It has been the subject of fierce academic debate since the Moynihan Report named after its author, then assistant secretary of labor Daniel Patrick Moynihan, was released in 1965. The Moynihan Report identified the breakdown of the family as a key cause of poverty within the black community.

You cannot have any conversation with a liberal regarding the structure of black families at this time in our country.

This is a 200+ page report that I plan on reading over the next several days. I haven't seen any verbiage that directly identifies that small sub-set of problematic behaviors.

I just got back from a week of vacation, and have continued to hash over this in my mind. There are a few black people who are employed by the "cottage school" up the road, and they come into my local pub occasionally for some drinks. I'm going to buy them a round, and see if I can have a conversation with these guys. They live it. I'm sure they'll have opinions. I just need to carefully phrase my question, so I don't get the shit kicked out of me. ;-)

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...encouraging pre-judgment based on dress, and not behavior.

Having your pants down below your ass is a behavior that communicates all one needs to know. These guys are not looking to be valedictorians, and they're proud of that.

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I suppose "thugs" would work.

That's a simple word that fully encompasses what we're talking about here. I can't imagine billvon banning that word. Works for even the teenage "children" that are bringing in $325K to this "tikkun olam" center.

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Bullwinkle: I'd like to apply for a job as an usher?
Boris: What experience have you had?
Bullwinkle: I've been in the dark for most of my life.

Just got back from getting a towel to wipe up the beer I spewed out of my nose with this. ROFLMAO...

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There is a real benefit to them to get Trump elected.

You have an active imagination, and it's not serving you well right now.

Putin can do what he wants in the middle east right now, and no one who is elected in this cycle is going to have any material impact on that.

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I'd wonder if there is any real benefit to them to release any e-mails instead of just keeping any 'real' intelligence secret to themselves.

And that is the truly scary thought.

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B) Highly experienced diplomat with a hawkish, pro-Europe reputation who wants to expand US international influence, understands Putin is our adversary, and doesn't have any personal stake in the Russian economy.

Who is that?

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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump sent alarm rippling through Eastern Europe after he said the U.S. would only defend NATO states attacked by Russia if those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us,” his strongest comments to date on the military alliance’s future if he enters the White House.

Uh, yeah. Why is this unreasonable? It's their culture. If it means something to them, well bottom line they better be willing to die for it. Put heat to the pot, and it really becomes simple. Why should we die for a culture that's not even willing to die for itself? Nation states matter, more than ever right now. And western democracies need to accept the Judeo-Christian principles that ultimately produced the society in which they currently live.

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I find it very amusing that the surest way to offend a Trump supporter is to repeat something Trump said.

You're full of shit, with all due respect. So with your political posts, don't take you seriously. That will never happen again.

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Well, no. They think Trump would respond less aggressively to a Russian attack on another country. They might be forgiven for thinking this, since he has said he would not necessarily support NATO allies who were attacked by Russia.

So, when it comes to politics you expect people to take you seriously with these kinds of posts? I always thought you were just yanking chains and playing word games.

Gold Cobra

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related to the Black Lives Matter group

Dude, WTF? You did see the videos where they are chanting "Fry them like bacon", "What do we want", "Dead Cops", "When do we want it", "Now".

Seriously, you had to see these?