JeepDiver

I want the skyhook option. Having used it, I know that it's all a matter of seconds. Or more importantly tenths of a second. I want an inflated reserve above my head in 200 feet or 1.42861 seconds. I can disconnect my RSL if I so choose and I have the time and altitude for other reasons, other than a low cutaway, but doing away with the option out of that old school dumb ass mentality is foolish. If I'm at 4100 feet, wrapped, screwed or what have you I can always pull that little yellow tab and do away with that option, however, lower, jammed up, in bad place relative to time and space I want everything to work as fast as possible for one last chance. Just my opinion. Did not having an RSL help in this incident? Not having an RSL didn't help in fact did it? Instead of you swearing an oath not to use an RSL or AAD why don't you ask him to cash the check you may end up writing one day. Or for whatever reason this guy didn't have an RSL or skyhook equipped Javelin.

I don't doubt you're serious Andy.

I went through all the photo galleries of the weekends at Skydive Sebastian. Pablo stopped by when he was on leave here in the US, or between tours overseas and it was always good to see him. Not a guy to be messed with (he was huge) but always nice to be around and very friendly. Normally he was always relaxing in the shade with his girlfriend and the kids. I recall a couple pictures of him sitting under the Palm Trees outside the main hanger but I do not remember who took them or where I'd seen them afterwards.

DL at 2:01 into the video over Sebastian. Classic DL at 2:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qei0ctmZ6fs Blue Skies DL.

Kyle has made it to the Farm on the second stop of the Final FlexVision Summer Tour Summer tour. Would anyone like to spend the summer doing this? http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=38410901&blogID=383036680 Have a Great and Safe Blue Skies Summer 2008 Kyle!!!

Florida Supreme Court to hear ATV case that could challenge parental rights next month The death of a 14-year-old boy in an ATV accident five years ago could end up changing the way people who offer sometimes risky activities, like motorcross and watersports, to children, do business. The Florida Supreme Court announced it would hear arguments next month in a case brought by the estate of Christopher Jones against the owners and manager of Thunder Cross Motor Sports Park in Okeechobee. The case raises the question of whether parents have the ability under Florida law to sign release forms that give away the right of their children to sue for damages. "It's going to affect really anything ... any type of activity in which minors participate which requires releases to be signed," said Richard Lee Barrett, who represents the former park manager and other motorcross parks across the state. "It's a cutting edge issue that's going to have broader application throughout the state of Florida." The basic facts of the case aren't in dispute. Bobby Jones took his 14-year-old son Christopher to the now-defunct Thunder Cross Motor Sports Park on May 10, 2003 to ride ATVs and signed a release form on behalf of the boy waiving liability and the right to sue. At the time, Jones was divorced from his wife Bette and had custody of both their sons. Christopher died after he fell off his ATV during a jump and the vehicle landed on top of him, according to court papers. Bette Jones, who was unaware the boys were riding ATVs, later filed a wrongful death suit claiming the park owners and manager were negligent, a case that was dismissed before trial because her ex-husband had signed the release form. The 4th District Court of Appeal reversed that decision in August, ruling there was nothing in state law that allows a parent to waive all legal rights on behalf of a minor. The court noted its decision conflicted with another appeals court decision, which is an issue the Florida Supreme Court will now take up. Lawrence Huttman, one of the attorneys representing the boy's mother, said that while Florida law allows adults to waive their own rights to sue, it doesn't let parents do so for children. Pre-release forms shift the burden of preventing risk on to parents, who would be hard pressed to know before signing a form whether the operator of a motorcross park or other activity is operating safely. "A pre-injury release actually encourages activity providers to cut costs at the expense of the safety of the children, perhaps even ignoring safety entirely because it removes their obligation of reasonable care toward children. Only the state has the authority to reduce the level of safety applicable to children," the attorneys representing the mother write in their brief. Courts are required to approve settlement amounts above $15,000 involving children, a recognition that the state sometimes steps in to protect the rights of minors, Huttman said. Bobby Jones has signed an affidavit acknowledging he fully understood what he was doing when signed the release form and attorneys for the motorcross park argue parents like Jones should have the ability to waive their children's right to sue. "The Florida Legislature favors the ability of parents to make decisions on behalf of their children in numerous and wide-ranging activities. Under Florida law, several acts that would otherwise be criminal are expressly allowed with the permission of a parent," writes attorney William Wallace, who represents the park's owners. The law varies from state to state, with some states allowing these types of releases and others not. Briefs in support of the sports park have been filed by the National Association of Underwater Instructors and the American Motorcyclist Association. Lindsey Brock, who wrote the underwater instructors brief, said he also represents Orlando Watersports, a company that has had its case put on hold while this appeal is pending because it involves a similar claim. Because insurance companies often require these release forms, some businesses worry that if they aren't able to use the forms, they won't be able to get insurance and would have to pay the direct costs of any accidents that occur. That could put some out of business, he said. In court briefs, Huttman and others argue the dangers to businesses are overstated, in part because if they are operating in a safe manner then they won't be vulnerable to negligence lawsuits. The boy's mother, Bette Jones, said this week she continues to pursue the case because she wants to raise more awareness about the potential danger of ATVs. She's hopeful the Florida Supreme Court decision will allow her to actually move forward with a trial. "It's been probably the roughest five years of my life," Jones said. "I think about it every day. I live it every day." TIMELINE OF THE CASE May 10, 2003: Christopher Jones, 14, dies at Thunder Cross Motor Sports Park in Okeechobee Jan. 4, 2005: The estate of Jones files a wrongful death lawsuit on his behalf Dec. 15, 2005: The circuit court grants a motion for summary judgment because the boy's father signed a release form Aug. 8, 2007: The 4th District Court of Appeal reverses the decision, saying nothing in Florida law allows a parent to waive those legal rights for a child June 11, 2008: The Florida Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the case.

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US military denies Iraq report of al-Qaida arrest BAGHDAD - The U.S. military on Friday denied Iraqi government claims that the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq was captured and said a man with a similar name had been arrested in the northern city of Mosul.

Billy's making enemies and killing 'em? Billy when did you start to do this?

Clearly it may not be *good* or common advice as you say or wise (which I am in complete agreement of) to think to get stable before deploying the reserve, the primary focus is; always have anything over your head before ground impact..... yet time and time again regarding the RSL debate it has been otherwise stated differently from far to many jumpers with higher jump numbers than me..... ie: see any thread regarding the spinning mal debate. Nonetheless it is the advice (or debate theory) I've read regularly regarding the commentary about RSL systems or not and it can be found in nearly every thread that relates to RSL vs non RSL equipped rigs going back further than 12 to 24 months ago, or greater, ie; pre-skyhook equipped rigs, so outside of that commentary which many hundreds of young jumpers follow on this forum, or have had drummed into their heads by old jump dogs for no valid reason outside of CRW or other valid reason. Here is a video shot by a low jump number jumper disputing that train of thought. Not to digress from 1.3333 @ 160 yet I have, for I know jumpers better served at a wl of .6/1 whatever their jump numbers are. As I mentioned to him in a PM, and pardon me being frank I flew the living crap out of my previous canopy doing everything I read until I out flew it in the most extreme reckless manner at a safe altitude dependent upon my reserve. I wanted to know where that edge was, and then I pushed it past that. So now I know, and he does as well. We are not playing checkers. There is a bright orange sticker on most canopies I've looked at The video serves much better those who don't yet know that line, as a training example in reality yet shot by someone who I agree shouldn't have.... and all things considered he did well. 13 or maybe 15 seconds till cutaway. the problem is.... you may as a jumper end up with 4 seconds or depending what the situation is..... zero. Beware, we have the leisure of debating his actions online. So..... and I can't clearly stress strongly further, don't do what he did lower, better yet don't do what he did at all, this thread is a clear example of what not to do. The video serves as an educational example. Anyone who views the video can understand he is seconds away from time running out. markovwgti is not skilled..... I can't say he is, again I don't know him, or have watched him jump, he is lucky, he relied upon training, and sometimes training is all it takes, yet he also relied upon the luck bucket, he did what he knew or was trained to know what he knew at the time and thankfully for that he is here to feel bad about what is said about his video negativity in this forum. He'll learn and that is good.... thankfully.... or hopefully.

I did the same thing under a 210, you did it above your hard deck, you handled yourself in the time it took to get your reserve out and got it on video. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2712145;#2712145 Christ almighty, many people have died because they reacted poorly to the very same incident in the same time frame. Or another thing to consider when the reaper swings that black blade of his many skilled skydivers have met much worse fate for reasons that nobody can explain. I remember just a few years ago, the advice was cutaway, get stable, pull silver, he would have been at 600 feet without a skyhook following that advice and the reserve may or may not have reached linestretch before his body struck the ground. It appears to me you landed your reserve just fine.... what size was your reserve btw?

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2712145;#2712145 I watched the video yesterday, personally I remember mine very well.

I replied in kind with two video clips of swoops not gone bad xenaswampjumper, You broke your leg under a lightly loaded canopy. A friend of mine broke her femur under a lightly loaded canopy 2 weeks ago at Zhills. Why should this thread be deleted? I am not trolling, pulling anyones leg or doing this for giggles. I wasn't making light of this entire thread, I can't debate 25 people or compare myself to competitors of a swoop competition that chowed the pond. A 16 year old with a learners permit would more than likely crash a Ferrari. A 42 year old adult knows how to drive. There is a difference between landing a canopy and doing high performance landings under the very same wing. ...as for skybytch's comment. I am not scared to land this canopy in no winds.... and I don't recall saying scared. I said my concern level was slightly elevated. As for billvons rebuke That is what it is always like where I jump 5 months out of the year, it is normal conditions. as for the jumpers with fewer jumps than I; don't do what I do. I wanted advice, I got it. Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply with their concerns. I am in no rush.

I just hope I don't have to land off. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7346712246510260355&hl=en or end up with just one sketchy out left from a long spot. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1283968135720922841&hl=en

You want to buy a Velo with over 1000 jumps on it? I give it you for $1000 What condition is the line set in?

I am listening. It's all good advice, all of it. I'm thankful for the critical comments, it shows concern and I am concerned myself. I am not over looking anything, except the "don't do it at all" What I was looking for is how to do it safely. What to be aware of....etc... and I've received that, I've also received that here on the ground. I may buy the Crossfire 2 139. btw... I just jumped it again. Ground winds were 16mph, gusts 22mph. I opened at 8k. I may not have jumped it if there were no winds. I am used to winds in the 15 to 25 range were I jump. What I discovered is that toggle turns are fearsome. Do not do a toggle turn adjustment low, a front riser adjustment is slightly better, both of those are not to be used low to the ground. I corrected my 90 into a crosswind with slight left rear riser input. I've read everything everyone wrote, I've listened and not listened. I don't want to debate point by point what has been said but I do see what everyone is concerned about. I've been manhandling the 210, I was manhandling the 170. They honestly didn't seem much different. I have been flying the 210 using double fronts everywhere. I outgrew that canopy 200 jumps ago. The 170 I was using double fronts, or a single front for my 180 front riser turn to land. btw, the Crossfire 2 129 is also one heck of a nice canopy. It is high performance I do feel I can handle safely. If possible, and those of you were here on the ground with me I would listen to the "if you're going to do it, this is how to do it safely" .... which I have from those who are here on the ground.

I have a huge penis so that keeps me pretty happy you gold digging pikey.

argumentative you say? I don't use it for that very reason and then when I do, I wish I hadn't because of the argumentative BS that follows. Even certain Moderators have appeared to have lost their minds, or post when they are drunk.

It depends where I am at and how long it has been since I've jumped.

Landing straight in there isn't a big difference - your 129 is only 25% faster than the 210. With a speed inducing maneuver (that may be untintentional) you could easily end up with twice the speed, four times the energy, and a canopy so sensitive to control input you can't keep it flying in a straight line. The perceived differences between canopy sizes and shapes are really non linear. I didn't have any problems going from a 205 to 155 square with a dozen jumps on 170s in between. The 135 @ 1.4-1.5 starting to get interesting and when I went from a 134 elliptical to a 120 elliptical loaded around 1.6 pounds/square foot with 600 jumps the thing didn't always go in a straight line. At your wing loading you should be able to get a ground speed in excess of 50 MPH with a 90 degree turn which is a bit faster than a Cessna 172 lands. The Cessna has spring-loaded landing gear with wheels to accommodate rough handling near the ground. You don't. Skipping a size and changing planform all at the same time is potentially a really bad idea. You run the risk of being unpleasantly surprised. I am very much aware of all of what you said. What I was hoping for by posting is information I am not aware of, so, I don't want to overlook any advice simply because I may not be aware of it. I've given it a great deal of thought. This thread isn't a troll. I was curious about what other may think sure, and good advise as to how best to handle this downsize is the information I am looking for. You're somewhat right about the difference in speeds. Using my alti-track I reviewed the data of my jumps under the Crossfire 2 Performing front riser 360's the canopy generates a speed of roughly 50 to 55 mph in the turn. A 180 is slightly less at 40 to 45 mph, a 90 front riser turn create a increase of speed up to 30 to 35 mph. Any turns over 180 I've done at or above 2k. I did a 90's front riser at 400+ feet. The difference at straight level flight is no more than 5-10 mph depending on the wind conditions at final. I haven't jumped it in no wind conditions as of yet. I've landed it slightly crosswind and adjustments of the toggle was very very nice for a gentle landing. My thinking is I can land it as if it's a student canopy straight in. I respect it's control range so I have no plans to treat it as if it was my larger canopy. In fact in a way it is like starting canopy flight all over again, except I have the experience of 450 jumps now. The openings are quite different than the Sabre2, and since I've wanted to explore the flight of this canopy I have been opening higher for those two reasons. I still have a lot of jumping to do with this canopy and I've found that the work needed to induce speed is so much less I respect it greatly. One thing I have noticed is doing a toggle turn causes a dive much more so than with the larger canopies so no low turns under this canopy. I have many more cautious jumps to make with this canopy. I have been flying it when close to the ground very conservatively. Toggle turns are my main concern, it does dive much more so than I have been used to. Toggle turns with this canopy need to be respected. .... and I don't want to hurt myself yet still jump this canopy safely. Do many posters who has been a member for 4 years, jumped 450 times at about 15 different dz with roughly seven hundred posts into these forums often troll? I am just looking for feedback without the bashing.

A few of you may know or not I've been jumping a Sabre2 210 for well over 400 jumps, I recently went to a Sabre2 170 as a demo and it felt very much the same as the 210. I was thinking of trying a Sabre2 150 but skipped over that. I gave it some thought for a couple weeks and then decided to jump a brand new Crossfire 2 129. I went through all of billvons checklist for the Sabre2 210 and it was the same for the Sabre2 170. After putting a handful of jumps on the Crossfire 2 129 that is what I will be buying. Now I have to get a new container & reserve.

I did, I asked a group of the men and the general consensus of the men was that the women have more guts than they do.

Yes along with the folding chairs and more than likely their wives life insurance policies. It is like a Saturday afternoon right now.

9 ladies between the ages of 57 to 82 have just invaded the dz with about 50 others in their supporting roles along with a photographer from the local paper. My question is why are the ladies only jumping and not the men?

Last year somewhere. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v417/red_iron/?action=view¤t=4a0194bf.pbw