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More anecdotal research, (google search for ev road trip) finds many first hand accounts of people's experiences. They basically all say the same thing. It can be done but it requires careful planning and it is a trying experience. And unless it is just a top up the 20 minute charge is a fantasy. The reality is broken chargers and waiting your turn. People being people they will often take up the space for longer than needed while they shop or have a meal. Very convenient if you get there first but not so much for those waiting.   

3 minutes ago, ryoder said:

According to Youtuber Jason Fenske (who owns a Tesla), a long road trip actually takes less charging time overall if you stop at 80%. The reason is that charging rate slows down above 80% to lessen stress on the battery. (His Youtube channel is "Engineering Explained").

That could very well be and makes sense. However that also lowers the range which of course is always quoted on the basis of a full charge. Meaning shorter but more often stops.

Just now, JoeWeber said:

Fortunately, free external migration between our countries is still on offer and, once you are here, it's not the puddle jumper jets that I had to take from Minneapolis to the Peg and back that are so dislikable. Set yourself free and come on down and warm up. 

Westjet flies direct YWG to PHX in the winter. 737s

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

If you're planning a trip from Eloy to Winnipeg in January you don't need an ICE vehicle, you need therapy.

Unfortunately I come from a place where holidays can both start and end in January. And I dislike commercial air travel so I generally drive both ways. Eloy is therapy at times.

3 hours ago, billvon said:

Right.  And if they took 20 minutes each (more reasonable on the most popular EV) it would add about an hour compared to a gas car.

For an engineer your math seems to be a little on the optimistic side. Tesla claims 0.6 of an hour for a full charge on a 440v charger. Even if it was 20 minutes, 20 times 4 or 5 > 60. We all know that their claims are about as valid as ICE mileage claims. Then factor in that unless the charging stations are just the correct distance apart more stops will be needed. No one wants to risk an empty tank. Especially when running out likely means calling for a tilt deck truck to rescue you. We all live in the real world. Your boosterism risks catching up with BH's pessimism. We should all look at it a little more realistically and avoid hyperbole.

More research shows 27 minutes from 10 to 80% on the best DC fast charger. Are you going to stop at 80% if you are on a long trip? That would be best for the battery but it would lower your range. Who needs the headache and the drama of planning out such a trip. I like the ev idea and in my regular day to day life the range would be just fine. If I'm planning a trip to Eloy from Winnipeg in January? I'm taking an ICE vehicle for sure.

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

1400 miles. Most people in ICE cars spend at least that amount of time stretching legs, eating etc on a 1,400 mile road trip.

With 300 mile range that would be 4 or 5 stops for charging. If they took 2 hours each that would pretty much add a full day to the trip. And for most people an extra night in a hotel. Most likely if I owned an EV and I had to do such a trip I would rent and ICE to do it in. It is what it is, there are disadvantages to go along the good things.

21 minutes ago, billvon said:

Replace panel with 200A panel, main breaker rated to protect grid connection.
Add solar plus hybrid inverter with small ($700) battery.
Set hybrid inverter max input to whatever the max power available from the grid is (50A say.)
Drive everything including the EV charger off the output of the hybrid inverter.

Nothing in that list should be contrary to NFPA or NEC codes - and pretty much all local building codes are based off those.

The perfesser and his wife the doc can probably just pay an electrician at the union rate to pull a permit and do the upgrade. Not everyone wants to be an annoying DIYer.

4 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

and you jump from squirrel to squirrel is search of a problem with EVs.

I found a new problem. Snow tires are 3K CAD with rims for a model #. Plus taxes.

3 hours ago, kallend said:

We need higher capacity wires run from the pole transformer and a new breaker box Connected to the meter in heavy duty conduit.  No way I can do that myself.

How old is your house?

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

The issue of charging capabilities will solve itself in time.  It is just not a hurdle worth even discussing given the cost savings in fuel that EVs have over gas.

Not sure why we are debating this issue with the troll

I've learned quite a bit in this thread that makes me even more likely to go EV.

9 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

They have a rule up there that both pumps don't go at the same time.

Yup. And it's the main reason I fuel south of the border as much as possible.

6 hours ago, olofscience said:

At least for the UK, trigger locks on petrol pumps are not a thing (safety standards)

The UK is getting to be quite the nanny state.

8 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

So complex hydrocarbons might have other absolute and potential uses besides once through the tailpipe? Who could have guessed?

Nylon. We need more nylon.

8 hours ago, tkhayes said:

if there is a dollar to be made from it, someone will step up and provide that capacity. 

People with 20 to 30 minutes to kill will need something to do. Business will find things for them to spend money on.

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Isn't the US run by Jews?

That is usually part of their argument. It is basically the same crowd looking for scapegoats.

2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

I'll direct your attention to Article Thirteen of the Hamas Charter "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement." and 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

Furthermore " 'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."

and for anyone who doubts the power of Jews "

"With their money they stirred

revolutions in various parts of the globe... They  stood  behind  the

French  Revolution,  the  Communist  Revolution  and  most   of   the

revolutions we hear about... With  their  money  they  formed  secret

organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions  -

which are spreading around the world, in order to  destroy  societies

and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I  ...

and formed the League of Nations through which they  could  rule  the

world. They were behind World War II, through which  they  made  huge

financial gains... There is no war going  on  anywhere  without  them

having their finger in it.' (Article 22)"

I know people who say much the same nonsense as that about the USA.

31 minutes ago, kallend said:

We are more certian of Newton's birthday than Jesus's.  There is much more confusion about when Jesus was born (assuming he really existed) and was it really a virgin birth (you'd thnk Mark, John and Paul might just have mentioned it in their writings)?  More than likely it was in the spring, or in September.  Dec 25 was established by papal fiat around 350CE to inherit the existing solstice celebrations.

What's even weirder is how the date of his death is calculated and celebrated. There is a strangeness overall to the holy death cult.

30 minutes ago, kallend said:

 

Early Life and Family

Newton was born on January 4, 1643, in Woolsthorpe, Lincolnshire, England. Using the "old" Julian calendar, Newton's birth date is sometimes displayed as December 25, 1642.

At least I know where the confusion is coming from now.

America, and Canada for that matter were not populated by refugees. They were and will be populated by "economic migrants". Starving people are highly motivated. I understand the desire to keep the gates closed from the flood but I have a real hard time with the lack of respect for the people who face this ordeal.

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Beheading Jewish children and raping Jewish women then parading them naked on the streets of Gaza. Has been lost because of how they are treating the civilian populations.

Once the collective punishment ratio reached a death count of 10:1 it was probably time to stop and move to a new phase. Israel is not going to be able to achieve it's real goal. Which is to force those who want to destroy it  out of the territory.

3 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill & others,

My premise is and still is that I have not heard even one Palestinian say that the attack of 7 Oct was wrong 

Hi Jerry, 

I’m not sure if any have, but I would be surprised if none have. I have a question for you. Do you think Israel is doing anything wrong at this time?

3 hours ago, kallend said:

Not many places getting a white Christmas this year.

We have a couple inches of snow here. It is looking like it will hang on for a while. Daytime highs are just below freezing and the lows are -5 to -10 C range. Still no cold snaps. It is breaking the hearts of the snowmobile crowd.

1 minute ago, billvon said:

Would be a pretty boring job if we just stood by the sidelines and never participated or responded.

But hey, at least the pay is good.

I agree. Just pointing out that all of us as a group, including the mods seem to be moving away from the "play the post, not the poster" principle a little more than usual lately. It's almost as if the goading is effective. Goading is what trolling is all about. 

13 minutes ago, jakee said:

I think you just did.

44 is less than 100. I'm pretty sure of that. There is no right side in this conflict. There are and have been many wrong actions taken. The wrong actions on both sides go back far beyond the current century. At this point large portions of both groups have made up their minds that the other side must be destroyed, leave, or be forced to surrender and one of them will do that eventually. Israel is stronger but it is surrounded by enemies. They are aware that in the end they can lose like they have throughout  the last two millennia. They have gone too far at this point but I can understand why. I despair and like the rest of us I am so glad to live in a part of the world that is more or less at peace. Merry Christmas from someone who can say that with no sense of irony even as a atheist. 

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Some people don’t seem to understand that stepping on others doesn’t actually make them taller, any more than sinking someone else’s boat makes one’s own float better.

Wendy P. 

37 minutes ago, billvon said:

Well, you know the well known proverb - a rising tide sinks the boats of people I've been told to hate.  Or something like that.

For mods the two of you seem to be spending a lot of time and effort joining in with the rest of us talking about this other poster.