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Vicki wrote I was going to correct the info above (it was a DC 9 not a 727) but Farf's quoted post got it right. Does anyone know if Farf is OK? I worry. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The term radar plot usually refers to a recorded series of target locations over a period of time. The plot can be drawn on a map. Plots in the Norjack era were commonly made from PPI radar scope visual info. No clue how the FBI or USAF prepared their Norjack plot. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

BK wrote: How could he avoid making it a kidnapping? He needed a cockpit crew. Their presence made it a kidnapping. I don't think Cooper was planning to pilot a 727 and then jump although it's been done. Watch this: http://youtu.be/KLnE-OgkyH4 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

More old SAGE stuff. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Posted by me years ago: 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Believe it or not Georger it was an automated 35 MM photographic film process. I was astounded. Slow refresh rate but it worked. No problem projecting a big screen map with targets. As I read it, the map was not a computer generated graphic but an optical one onto which the target info was overlaid. See this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3110066;search_string=SAGE%20%20display%20film;#3110066 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote I'll have to check with Bruce for confirmation. I attended the Portland Cooper Symposium with my spouse so I wasn't paying as close attention to Marla as a lot of guys were... but I never saw Marla engage in any inappropriate provocative behavior. Just a smile. No "butt twisting" Jo. If you are going to demean Marla you should have some evidence to support the "twisty butt" claims. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Shutter wrote +1. The FBI has more pressing matters. Check this out. A CA state senator, Leland Yee, has been so anti gun that he wanted mandatory registration of 3D printers that can produce gun parts. So Senator No Guns gets busted by the FBI trying to set up a multimillion dollar arms purchase to supply Muslim rebels in the Philippines. You couldnt make this stuff up. http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/27/6274946/affidavit-details-sen-leland-yees.html What's ironic is that the only FBI scrutiny of this Dropzone forum was ended by Jo's complaining to FBI brass about Ckret. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow is fine Jo. Nothing to worry about. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote teases a little??? How about teases constantly? It's very consistent Jo. It's part of your core. You even withheld possible DNA bearing items from the FBI. You promise blockbusters and deliver poofs. You always hold something back. It's counterproductive but you persist. I don't question your honesty though. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sluggo sent me a very short email. So happy to hear from him. No real news, just letting me know he's alive and kicking. I wish Farflung would do the same. I do worry about him. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Even IF there was a pump car available it could not be operated on any grades by only one person. Give it up. No pump car. No VOR detecting garment. No microwave tower comms. Evidence doesnt dissuade you though. You will go to your grave with Duane having corset stays that vibrated near VOR stations, some wild microwave tower triangulation guidance system that he used for precision navigation and exiting the search zone solo on a railroad pump car. Oh, and lest I forget, a tricked out CB radio that could also communicate on the VHF aviation band. Duane would be in advanced product engineering at Apple if he were alive today. He'd prop up Tim Cook who hasn't released a new product since Steve Jobs died. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Believe what you want about pump car use and availablilty in 1971. I just thought you might want to see what railroad historical websites had to say. Pump cars typically took FOUR men to operate. Two could do it, but one would be inadequate on anything other than zero grade trackbeds. They were no good for ascending steep grades. Even you said: Quote: in that area there were hills Nevertheless, you have this vision that Duane used a pump car to get out of the area and apparently nothing will change your mind. Quote: Retirement Handcars began their decline in 1910 when the motorized speeder car saw widespread use. The problem with handcars was that by the time the crew pumped to the location they were physically worn out. The motorized cars moved faster and required fewer men to operate. In 1911 Union Pacific retired the handcar from branch line service in Western Nebraska. Branch line track sections typically covered 10 miles, nearly twice that of mainline sections. Immediate labor savings became apparent. Between 1910 and 1915 the pace of handcar retirement could be compared to the pace of steam locomotive retirements in the late 1940's, early 1950's. One interesting development was various companies offered conversion kits to convert handcars into motorized vehicles. The pump handle was removed and replaced with an engine and the various parts needed to proprel the car. By 1920 most handcars had been replaced by motorized cars. Sheffield and Kalamazoo continued to advertise the cars in their catalog into World War II, but few were probably sold. Some handcars were left around yards and there are stories from railroaders into the 1970's of handcars relegated to corners of engine maintenance facility shops, only to be taken out for an occasional quick back and forth fun run in the yard. The chances of a handcar being in use on an active rail line in 1971 was tiny. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

ELTs are usually located aft, often on fuselage roof near the base of the tail fin. If the ELT is submerged no signal would be heard. The salt water would effectively ground the antenna. Even in fresh water radio waves on ELT VHF frequencies are drastically attenuated by water. Subs can't send radio signals effectively while submerged. They can receive powerful VLF radio signals while submerged. They can use radio comm buoys that rise to the surface. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

$3600-ish as I recall. I've been told it was a good price, but who knows? I stare at it a lot. Wish Bruce's remote viewing really worked. What this bill has seen would likely be fascinating. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Not justifiable Jo. You could have retained a part of the items that had Duane's DNA and given the other part to the FBI. Or you could have done your own swabs under controlled conditions with good chain of custody records. If you withhold critical evidence and then complain about the throroughness of the FBI investigation it looks hypocritical. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, You'd be shocked at what it takes to get an airliner grounded. Many are flying with known faults and the airlines can often wait until next scheduled maintenance to fix them. Owners are usually required to inspect and monitor until repairs can be made. The FAA ADs are public record and there are thousands. Look at all these 777 ADs from Australia's FAA: 2009-26-03 Standby Static Inverter 28/07/2010 2010-06-09 Inadvertant Engagement of the Autopilot 01/04/2010 2008-01-01 Flight Deck Door 06/07/2010 2010-13-03 Keyway of Fuel Tank Access Door Cutout of the Lower Wing Skin 01/02/2010 2010-15-01 Flight Deck Window 1 Arcing 17/08/2010 2010-14-13 Inboard Main Track Slat Can for Outboard Slat Number 12 - Detect and Correct Damage 17/08/2010 2010-16-12 Oil Scavenge Tube on the Turbine Rear Frame 17/08/2010 2010-23-15 Centre Tank Fuel Leakage 22/12/2010 2010-26-01 Installation of Insulation Blanket on Latch Beam Firewall 20/1/2011 2011-05-12 Horizontal Stabilizer Jackscrew Fitting - Karon Lined Bushing Inspection and Replacement 14/04/2010 2011-09-05 Prevention of Potential Ignition Sources Inside Fuel Tanks 26/05/2011 2011-09-11 Strut Disconnect Assembly - Inspection 6/6/2011 2011-09-15 To Prevent Potential Ignition Sources Inside Fuel Tanks 6/6/2011 2011-21-03 Electrical Power Connector 16/11/2011 2011-26-03 Prevention of Electrical Arcing on the Fuel Tank Boundary Structure or Inside the Main and Center Fuel Tanks 03/01/2012 2012-07-06 Airworthiness Limitations and Certification Maintenance Requirements 15/05/2012 2012-08-09 Wing Centre Section Spanwise Beams - Inspection 29/05/2012 2012-08-13 Rudder Bonding Jumper Brackets 29/05/2012 2012-09-14 Forward Cargo Door - Latch Pin - Inspection 21/06/2012 2012-10-10 Horizontal Stabiliser Pivot Pin - Replacement / Repetitive Inspection 29/06/2012 2012-11-03 Main Landing Gear Trunnion Lower Housing Fuse Pin Cross Bolts and Fuse Pins - Inspection 09/07/2012 2012-12-19 Ceiling Support Structure - Installation 30/07/2012 2012-14-03 Fatigue Crack - Lap Joint - Inspection / Repair 27/08/2012 2012-16-04 Thermal Damage of the Thrust Reverser 03/10/2012 2012-19-10 MLG - Centre Axle and Shock Strut Inner Cylinder Lugs - Inspection 05/10/2012 2012-21-10 Flight Controls - Rudder and Tab - Rudder Power Control Units Reaction Link Assembly - Replacement / Repair 14/11/2012 2012-23-06 Wire Support Clamps in the Forward Section of the Aft Pressure Bulkhead 31/12/2012 2013-05-03 Main and Centre Fuel Tank Motor-Operated Valve Actuators 25/04/2013 2013-05-05 Electrical Load Management System 25/04/2013 2013-05-10 Slide/Raft Packboard Release Mechanisms 03/05/2013 2013-07-11 Fuselage - Fuselage Skin External Scribe Lines - Inspection 20/05/2013 2013-08-09 Oxygen - Passenger Oxygen Mask Clamshell Couplers 23/05/2013 2013-08-02 Flight Controls - Elevator Actuator Fitting - Inspection 24/05/2013 2013-11-04 Urethane Foam Seals 09/07/2013 2013-11-14 Strut Forward Dry Bay/s - Inspection for Hydraulic Fluid contamination and Drain Line blockage 19/07/2013 2014-05-05 Auto flight - Auto Pilot / Flight Director TCAS function - De-Activation 20/03/2014 2014-05-09 Inspection for the Part Number of the Main Landing Gear Retract Actuator Fuse Pin 14/04/2014 2014-05-03 Fuselage Skin Underneath SATCOM Antenna Adapter 09/04/2014 Large transport aircraft are very complex and faults are inevitable. They can't ground the fleet for every fault or airline travel would grind to a halt. Regulators try to make judgment calls about whether faults make planes unairworthy. If they don't, flight ops continue and repairs are made according to schedules. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Before the disappearance of the Maylasian 777 Boeing had issued the following AD (warning): "We received a report of cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin underneath the SATCOM antenna adapter," the FAA warned. "During a maintenance planning data inspection, one operator reported a 16-inch crack under the 3-bay SATCOM antenna adapter plate in the crown skin of the fuselage on an aeroplane that was 14 years old with approximately 14,000 total flight cycles. "Subsequent to this crack finding, the same operator inspected 42 other aeroplanes that are between 6 and 16 years old and found some local corrosion, but no other cracking. Cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, if not corrected, could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the aeroplane." Ironic in that the first commercial jet airliner, the De Havilland Comet, suffered catastrophic decompression and several crashes. The culprit was an ADF antenna which caused skin cracks around its mounting site. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote There have been many changes Jo. For example you once claimed that the annotations in the Cooper book in your local library were made by Duane's hand. Now you say something different. You have promoted demonstrably impractical stuff like parachuting pipe welders, VOR detecting garments, escape transport by railway pump car. It's OK, changes aren't the same as lies, but to say your story has never changed is fantasy. Georger I'm sure can point out many more changes than I can. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Welcome back Bruce. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Look at this. Tons of info on runway loads for 777. http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/777rsec7.pdf It's no dirt strip aircraft even at low weights. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The dry lake at Edwards is dry dense and very hard packed. It's almost as good as thick reinforced concrete. That's why it's so useful for test flying. An off field landng isn't such a big deal. Try landing a 777 on a less dense and dry dirt surface and you'll bury the wheels and probably snap the gear legs. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G wrote Some military tracking radars can give reasonably accurate altitude readings using nodding antennas. There is a degradation of accuracy depending on distance and angle. This is a great site for radar tech: http://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/Slant%20Range.en.html 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Dirt would have to be very hard packed for a successful gear down landing. 777 has a lot of weight and not a lot of tire footprint. Hercs and other rough field capable acft have lots of tires to spread the load out and avoid damaging runway surfaces. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G wrote Wonder if they were Lithium ion or phosphate batts? Big difference in self ignition dangers. A raging lithium fire could account for loss of comms (frantic load shedding thinking it might be an electrical fire). Perhaps even an intentional depressurization and a climb to cut down on oxygen which is supportng combustion...But wouldn't they first give a Mayday call? Imagine you fire the cargo hold fire bottles and it just keeps raging. What do you do? Cockpit smoke could obscure readability of instrument panel and controls. Read about the Value Jet crash. Note: "The CDR indicated a progressive failure of the DC-9's electrical and flight control systems due to the spreading fire. " From Wikipedia. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.