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Hard to know, the lab tested it in 1972 then they did again in 2002 when they got the mixed DNA.. Question is.. could any of the testing (including potential fingerprint testing) have left any of the particles.. I read a McCrone case study about SS steel particles being found somewhere that were from the water system.. but the issue is that some of those particles may have been deposited after the hijacking, in storage or testing.. was the tie sitting stored with the chutes..

I have maybe a dozen pics and he looks like three completely different people.. A single image is weak,, probably true for most of the suspects.

Just these...

Yes, that was a composite b/w sketch, a bad one.

The tie was tested for bodily fluids and probably prints as well,, Does anybody have insights on what tests were used circa 1971 and what types of particles may have been left on the tie?? I know fluorescents were used and fingerprint powder had lots of stuff like Ti... but there were many mixtures.

Now, that is what I am talkin bout.....

I just think the softball shows have run their course and become detrimental to the case.. That Reca show did it for me.. Darren's format isn't progressing.. We need a deeper more critical analysis.. that is extremely tough to do on any forum...

Sounds accurate,, my point about Gregory goes back years, he was completely dismissed because he said he was the closest to Cooper and last on the plane.. people didn't understand that he was actually correct. He was the closest to Cooper after Mitchell moved up front and the last on the plane not the the last getting on the plane but the last ON the plane. Tina also corroborated a brown suit, others did say wavy hair.. he said marceled.. Latin and 1/4 MEX/NATIVE are close... Gregory also said Caucasian... his terminology may have differed slightly but the meanings are close. Individual witnesses never get everything right, but when all the witness testimony including and beyond the sketches is taken into account we have a good profile for Cooper.

Braden is better than many but he isn't Cooper.

I get that but the medium is the message,, just having people on your podcast gives them a degree credibility with the public... Listeners are being inundated with misinformation, weak and ridiculous suspects.. most claims just go unchallenged. The truth only emerges from a critical analysis, I don't hear that.. agreeing with everything, throwing softballs and not challenging doesn't allow the listener access or uncover the information necessary to think critically.. I can't do the show, if you want to know why contact me privately.

Nonsense, you think a passive aggressive personal jab is meaningful. Did you actually read what I said,, I said I would WANT tough questions. I am not out publicly pushing anything for very good reasons, some know the reasons. If and when I am able to I expect tough questions, that is my point. You have tried to criticize what I do post and largely failed.. My point is, IMO, the case is not advancing, it is going backwards with terrible suspects and misinformation getting oxygen.. you know I am right. Darren is a big boy he can handle some criticism.. he can do what he wants but IMO these shows need tougher analysis.. Maybe I will have to do my own show, this thing is losing its integrity.

TBH,, I am finding these podcast's increasingly frustrating.. the Reca/Peca Vern jones one was such a softball session... The Reca/Peca narrative is a disaster. It doesn't fit the evidence and relies on unreliable and unrealistic claims manufactured by Carl and Reca.. IMO it is a hoax.. and a distraction for the case. Vern rolled over on his back and Darren patted his belly.. these guys are rarely asked the tough questions.. For this episode, Lyle walked back his claims about the guy at Elsinore.. There is no connection to Cooper. Lyle embellished it for publicity then walked it back.. it is in the FBI files. He later claimed that the guy probably read about the case in the media.. classic CYA. Elsinore is a red herring. Corcoran jump boots,, where did that come from.. you guys talk about it as if it was a fact. It isn't. Tina said laceless and ankle high, not loafers,, loafers came from Himmelsbach's speculation in his book and the media. There were no loafers. Somehow laceless got morphed into loafers. Cooper was described as swarthy/olive/latin/dark/one quarter MEX/NATIVE, back then Latino/Hispanic terminology wasn't used yet, they even redid the sketch with primary witnesses to better depict this.. Cooper had these characteristics.. basic qualifications for any suspect. BTW, "olive" is a subset of swarthy and not a tan.. Anybody that discounts this characteristic for Cooper should pack it up and go to the Zodiac case. It is almost universally corroborated by witnesses. Gregory's description was almost entirely corroborated by other witnesses.. it wasn't an outlier.. Russet is brown, Tina also said brown suit. Latin(o) is virtually synonymous to one quarter MEX/NATIVE.. Gregory is very credible. People discounted him early on because he said he was last on the plane and closest to Cooper, 4 seats away.. he actually was the last to leave and closest to Cooper after Mitchell moved forward. He knew Cooper was suspicious and took a good look at him when he left.. Mitchell only noticed him because the stew was paying attention to him. Braden was not Cooper, there is no evidence for him to be Cooper. He was a badass, he looked like a badass, he had dimples thin hair and a very unique look.. He didn't match Cooper's description or profile,, Cooper was not a badass. Braden is a very unique character but that doesn't make him Cooper, it eliminates him. The current DNA sample from the tie is useless.. we need a new analysis with new tech if that is even possible now with the caveat that it is not even certain Cooper was the one wearing the tie for the 7 years prior to the hijacking. As time goes by you'd expect the case to become more fine tuned but it seems the opposite is happening.. the public narrative isn't advancing it is becoming polluted with misinformation and weak or ridiculous suspects with assumptions and conjecture presented as fact.. this discredits the Cooper case as people are inundated with more and more bad information.. The case is going backwards,, I would never do Darren's show with such softball questions, it doesn't help anyone.. it gives oxygen to bad thinking. The Cooper case public discourse is becoming a waste of time. Two steps forward five steps back, the Vortex boogie.. Advice,, these softball interviews are counter productive,, there are ways to ask the tough questions everybody wants asked without being offensive.

Cossey explains his chute,, never mentions moving the handle from left to right,, but Cooper didn't use Cossey's chute he used Hayden's Pioneer 60-9707 Coss.mov

Right, I always thought that chute choice argument was a stretch,, we now know that the chutes were basically the same but the one Cooper took was 3 years newer.. and he checked the cards. The evidence supports military experience vs a skydiver, though he wasn't a badass paratrooper like Braden..

It is more than that, SN 60-9707 was also a Pioneer,, Cossey distinguished his chute from the Pioneer as an NB6/8.. In interviews he claimed his chutes were used and picked up from Issaquah.. (told Carr they came from his home) What I think happened was Cossey was contacted at home about obtaining all 4 chutes and said to pick all of them up from Issaquah,, before Emrich got them they had acquired the two backs from Hayden. Emrich then only sent the fronts but Cossey didn't know that. Cossey was contacted and told a tan Pioneer back chute was left on the plane.. he assumed the missing chute was his Sage/Sage green taken from Issaquah.. He was wrong.. he got the colour wrong and both of Hayden's chutes were Pioneers.. Cossey knew he was wrong the next day but never corrected his error. He never supplied his records but claimed he did and the FBI never caught on.

Carefully notice here the early description of backpack #1.. olive drab green container, soft tan cotton harness... Cossey claimed his NB6/8 chute, the one Cooper used was sage green nylon container and sage green nylon harness.. Backpack #2 is SN 226 returned to Hayden.

From citizenslueths.. SN matches.. material looks like ripstop..

I don't get the semantics, civilian/luxury/sport??, even Hayden said the FBI "civilian luxury type" description wasn't accurate. They were both modified military bailout rigs..

The description of Cooper's back chute was inconsistent, but the good front reserve was consistent.. A 24 ft ripstop.

Well, it didn't go down like that,, The FBI contacted Cossey when the chutes were recovered from the plane and described them to Cossey.. they told him the tan pioneer back chute was recovered so Cossey said the other was his NB6/8 and he gave a description. So, Cossey never gave a prior description of the back chute that was left in the plane and returned to Hayden.. Interestingly, of the very early chute descriptions which were not from Cossey, one matches the chute returned to Hayden and the one Cooper used does not match Cossey's description. Once Cossey described his back chute the FBI went with that description.

Yes, at one point Cossey told them he gave them everything he had.. they noted they never got them. Riggers are required to keep records,, he probably didn't want to because he got the chutes wrong.. Without the records, it would mean Cossey was the only go to for identification.. but the FBI unknowingly had the packing card for the back chute Cooper used.. crazy stuff.

Sport jumpers are picky and prefer their own chutes. Cooper had military jump experience and probably hadn't jumped in a while. He was 45-50ish.. Cooper thought the chutes were coming from McChord.. He checked the cards and probably the seals.. IMO, he tossed the dummy because it had no card or seal. Also, he was not nervous and put the harness on easily.. A non jumper would be nervous and struggle with the harness.. Evidence is solid.. Cooper had some jump experience, almost certainly from the military.

Wrong, the pockets only fit a small card and say "inspection and packing data".. Hayden's returned chute.. He pulled the cards and checked them.. Nice try though.. Cooper also rejected the instructions, he had parachute experience. Don't be that guy....

There are many FBI files that support this,, I am 100% certain that SN 60-9707 packing card is for Hayden's back chute Cooper used and he must have pulled it out of the pocket and left it behind.. The other back chute with SN 226 card went back to Hayden. Both packed by Cossey May 21, 1971. That means, Cossey's description was wrong about the chute Cooper used. IMO, he initially assumed his chute was used but never corrected the record. (this destroys Gryder's chute stunt) They were looking for the wrong chute, Cooper's chute may have been found and dismissed. Many were found in the area.. One found in the South Fork Lewis near Heisson is particularly interesting. and Cooper was an experienced jumper, rejecting instructions, pulling and checking the cards.. since they were virtually identical he used the slightly newer one.. and since the FBI had Cooper's chute card without realizing it, you have to question their competence. The FBI relied too much on Cossey and were never able to get Cossey's records. Is this big,, yeah, it is big..

Probably, I did a FOIA on the chute packing cards, they said any info will be released in "the FBI vault"..