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I've only seen a couple of suits with the LQRS, but didn't have the opportunity to examine the system in greater detail. I know the cutaway handle was on the right, so I'd imagine the wing detaches from the right leg only.(assuming here..) This way it would be flapping on the left leg, away from all handles.
Somebody who has actual knowledge on this, please post some facts to this thread...
Erno
Somebody who has actual knowledge on this, please post some facts to this thread...
Erno
cpoxon 0
I have the LQRS on my Skyflyer. Firstly, it doesn't cut away the wing as such (i.e. on the inside of the leg) but releases a seam on the outside of the leg, adjacent to the zip which allows your leg out just like the zip, with the wing still connected to the leg of the suit. My LQRS is on the left leg but this may be because I have a Jack knife pockect on the right leg which has a loop near where the leg release would be and I also have the BASE PC pocket so the right side is "busy".
If a leg is still "in" then this gives tension on one side of the wing and could cause unevenness if the wing inflates. If both feet are out for a low exit the wing is less likely to inflate and not have such adverse effects if it does? Although, as I speculated, it may cover the front or back if not stuffed somewhere?
If a leg is still "in" then this gives tension on one side of the wing and could cause unevenness if the wing inflates. If both feet are out for a low exit the wing is less likely to inflate and not have such adverse effects if it does? Although, as I speculated, it may cover the front or back if not stuffed somewhere?
>If a leg is still "in" then this gives tension on one side of the wing and
>could cause unevenness if the wing inflates.
As instability during flight is corrected by cutting away the arm wings, there actually is no situation where a jumper should be in freefall with his legwing cut away(!). I understand this option(LQRS) was developed mainly for basejumpers who don't have the time under canopy to open the leg zippers.
>If both feet are out for a low exit the wing is less likely to inflate and not
>have such adverse effects if it does? Although, as I speculated, it may
>cover the front or back if not stuffed somewhere?
Yes, I can see that happening.
So, since we have concluded that it's
-a bad idea to exit with the LQRS pulled
-a bad idea to exit with both legzippers open
...it must be the best idea to exit with leg wing intact, with legs closed? Any objections?
Erno
>could cause unevenness if the wing inflates.
As instability during flight is corrected by cutting away the arm wings, there actually is no situation where a jumper should be in freefall with his legwing cut away(!). I understand this option(LQRS) was developed mainly for basejumpers who don't have the time under canopy to open the leg zippers.
>If both feet are out for a low exit the wing is less likely to inflate and not
>have such adverse effects if it does? Although, as I speculated, it may
>cover the front or back if not stuffed somewhere?
Yes, I can see that happening.
So, since we have concluded that it's
-a bad idea to exit with the LQRS pulled
-a bad idea to exit with both legzippers open
...it must be the best idea to exit with leg wing intact, with legs closed? Any objections?
Erno
outrager 6
Yo !
If you have any basic experience with a wingsuit (i.e. can exit stable, an equivalent of a static line student clear-and-pull proficiency), an emergency exit fully geared and zipped up is a way to go. Your fall rate is less then half of a no-suit jumper - you will actually climb up above the plane on a high-speed exit. Further on, your canopy deployment consumes less altitude if you pull in full flight.
Many wingsuit fliers (including myself) don't zip up the suit until close to the regular jump altitude. In case of a bail-out emergency there will be no time to put the suit on. If a bail-out is necessary, going out with everything unzipped is really no different from a CRW-style clear-and-pull. If you are concerned about your leg wing loose material you can tuck it in your crotch, snap it in quickly (if your suit have the snaps) or simply hold it with your left hand untill you pull.
bsbd!
Yuri.
If you have any basic experience with a wingsuit (i.e. can exit stable, an equivalent of a static line student clear-and-pull proficiency), an emergency exit fully geared and zipped up is a way to go. Your fall rate is less then half of a no-suit jumper - you will actually climb up above the plane on a high-speed exit. Further on, your canopy deployment consumes less altitude if you pull in full flight.
Many wingsuit fliers (including myself) don't zip up the suit until close to the regular jump altitude. In case of a bail-out emergency there will be no time to put the suit on. If a bail-out is necessary, going out with everything unzipped is really no different from a CRW-style clear-and-pull. If you are concerned about your leg wing loose material you can tuck it in your crotch, snap it in quickly (if your suit have the snaps) or simply hold it with your left hand untill you pull.
bsbd!
Yuri.
> If a bail-out is necessary, going out with everything unzipped is really
>no different from a CRW-style clear-and-pull. If you are concerned about
>your leg wing loose material you can tuck it in your crotch
I guess that's exactly what the first poster in this thread thought....
Erno
>no different from a CRW-style clear-and-pull. If you are concerned about
>your leg wing loose material you can tuck it in your crotch
I guess that's exactly what the first poster in this thread thought....
Erno
Generally, I zip into my legs, feet in the booties, as soon as I get seated if the airplane is full. If it's a light load, I will leave my leg wing undone and stuffed in the center air channel (on my SkyFlyer) or snapped up to the sides of my suit (on my GTi). I would absolutely not pull the LQRS on my SkyFlyer if I were already zipped in. As reported earlier, the LQRS only releases one leg, leaving the mass of the leg wing attached to the other leg. In freefall, this would be a bad situation probably resulting in a freaky spin. The LQRS was designed so that a person could more easily kick out of line twists. Pulling the handle give you your full range of leg motion to throw a leg and untwist.
Arms? If I were zipped in I would just do a poised exit and dump. Which parachute I used would depend on altitude. Anything below about 2000 feet, I would go for my reserve. Above that, I would just fly away for about five seconds and then dump my main. I have seen wing blowouts where people have cut their arms away and seen others where the pilot simply flew dirty until pull time if he still had a margin of control.
Chuck
Arms? If I were zipped in I would just do a poised exit and dump. Which parachute I used would depend on altitude. Anything below about 2000 feet, I would go for my reserve. Above that, I would just fly away for about five seconds and then dump my main. I have seen wing blowouts where people have cut their arms away and seen others where the pilot simply flew dirty until pull time if he still had a margin of control.
Chuck
Macaulay 0
QuoteIf a bail-out is necessary, going out with everything unzipped is really no different from a CRW-style clear-and-pull. If you are concerned about your leg wing loose material you can tuck it in your crotch, snap it in quickly (if your suit have the snaps) or simply hold it with your left hand untill you pull.
Based on what happened to me on Sunday, I can tell you that this isn't true. I thought the same thing... just do a CReW-style exit/pitch, which is exactly what I did, but I had air entering the suit from every which way. I left facing with my chest into the wind. Having my legs together put me steep. Pitching with my right hand kept the right wing closed, but the left one, although unzipped, flipped me over. On top of that, entering air/drag affected the tail big time. It was the most unstable I've ever been. It was totally out of control.
I've never heard of anyone leaving the plane unzipped. Well, now I have, and I will have to agree with anyone that says to just fly the suit out, regardless of altitude. In fact, I'm going to start zipping up after I take my seatbelt off from now on.
- Mac
Macaulay 0
Agreed. My new philosophy is to always do a normal chest-to-wind exit. If it's a low/bailout-situation, whether the wings come open before deploying depends on altitude/stability.Quote...it must be the best idea to exit with leg wing intact, with legs closed? Any objections?
But if it's bailout situation, being at the back of the plane, I probably wouldn't even make it out. ;)
- Mac
I wonder if with both of the legs out unzipped or cut could allow the leg wing to pass between your legs in freefall and cover up the bottom of your container. Or even blow over your front and cover up your handles? Might test that out (with different suits) next time the opportunity arises!
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