DanG 1 #26 May 12, 2004 You do not need a coach rating to share your love of the sport and help others at a USPA dropzone. You only need a coach rating (or higher) to work with unlicensed jumpers. You can share you love of the sport and help recently graduated A licensed jumpers all day. A coach may only teach the FJC under the supervision of an instructor. Most reputable DZ's will make that supervision very, very close. Coaches (especially ones that are interested in the minimum requirements to get the rating) as not qualified to teach the FJC by themselves. Why this burning desire to teach the FJC? It seems you are fixated on this one aspect of coaching. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #27 May 12, 2004 QuoteYou only need a coach rating (or higher) to work with unlicensed jumpers And this can be waived as well. The only thing you NEED a coach rating for is to get the other instructional ratings.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveb 1 #28 May 12, 2004 Quote>>> Plus, I want to be able to teach the first jump course. >> See USPA IRM, especially page (16 of 27), section A.4. > That talks about AFF. See 12 of 17, #2 a and b about the privliges of coaches. Correct, but the first jump course is not allowed of a USPA coach. I don't want to get into a reg-quoting contest. I provided the link to the free portion of the IRM so you would have USPA sanctioned answers to your questions about requirements. Your S&TA will be more than happy to help you out with any specifics that apply to your unique situation and abilities. Quote>> ... you do not need a rating of any type to [share my enjoyment for the sport and help others]. > You do at a USPA dropzone... Not true, except for 'helping' student jumpers. It has been my observation that the people most needing coaching and help are those who are no longer students, myself included. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #29 May 12, 2004 QuoteIt has been my observation that the people most needing coaching and help are those who are no longer students, myself included. Excellent point. The organizers I most enjoy jumping with are those that coach each jumper for his/her slot, regardless of how experienced that jumper may be.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmchristian 0 #30 May 30, 2004 skipro101, While I am somewhat new to the posts here, I was monitoring this post while sitting at my desk. A big focus of course on the USPA Coaches Course is RW and assisting new students begin adjustment into more advanced flying skills. To me the course was a piece of cake. However something that does come out of it (and my instructor told me) is the beginnings of instructor development. The fact that you are a freeflyer really doesn't matter (aside from the fact that you have to be able to do RW to pass the course), the ability to coach and coaching style are the most important items that you can gain from the course. The basics that you will get out of the course can be applied to any discipline of skydiving. The bottom line, people skills and the ability to convey accurate concepts in an easy to understand manner is key in being a good coach in any discipline. Oh by the way, my USPA Coaches course consisted of a variety of disciplines, including CReW dogs. I hope this helps. Chris -------- "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body; but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting 'Holy s#$* what a ride!'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipro101 0 #31 June 3, 2004 Makes me feel better, because i have thousands of hours teaching skiing and am certified level III PSIA-Intermountain. So, if coaching skills are what the focus is on, I definately feel better about not waiting till im 500+ jump numbers to start. I intend to have 200 before the coaches course this fall. I figure that, with my currency, ...as long as i focus on training for it on all my next jumps...., that i ought to be prepared enough not to make an ass out of myself. only time will tell hehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
napaguy99 0 #32 June 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou only need a coach rating (or higher) to work with unlicensed jumpers And this can be waived as well. The only thing you NEED a coach rating for is to get the other instructional ratings. Hey. I'm curious as to how one gets that requirement waived. I thought I read the SIM and IRM pretty in-depth, but I must have missed where it says jumpers still on student status can jump with someone who is not even coach rated. Could you please explain how one does that? Thanks! "Let the misinterpretation and attacks begin." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #33 June 25, 2004 QuoteCould you please explain how one does that? Ask the DZO, if you get permission then you're good to go with or without the coach rating.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #34 July 1, 2004 Why don't you try the Atmosphere Dolphin tests? If you want to know your freefly skills are what they should be that would be the ticket. If you want to coach FF for money...........I don't know about everyone else, but all of my FF coaching (100+) is with Dolphin License holders. You don't want to take on FF coaching until you are 100% prepared, not 98% or 99%. Corking into a student or vice versa at 180 - 200 mph has killed/ severely injured more than one coach and student. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #35 July 1, 2004 Hey. I'm curious as to how one gets that requirement waived. I thought I read the SIM and IRM pretty in-depth, but I must have missed where it says jumpers still on student status can jump with someone who is not even coach rated. Could you please explain how one does that? *** each dz can adjust the ISP to suit its needs, if they dont require the "jumpmaster" to hold a coach rating then unless I misunderstood something, they dont need it. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #36 July 1, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou only need a coach rating (or higher) to work with unlicensed jumpers And this can be waived as well. The only thing you NEED a coach rating for is to get the other instructional ratings. Hey. I'm curious as to how one gets that requirement waived. I thought I read the SIM and IRM pretty in-depth, but I must have missed where it says jumpers still on student status can jump with someone who is not even coach rated. Could you please explain how one does that? Thanks! Look in the "waivers" section of the BSRs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaulDuke 0 #37 July 15, 2004 If you can do an 8 point 4way, you'll be a lot better than one guy I know with a coach rating. **You want a toe? I can get you a toe, dude.** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipro101 0 #38 July 17, 2004 damn I thought sure this thread had died and been buried. anyway Im closer to the date of the course and am able to better judge my prepardness. Im sure I will do fine. Thanks peeps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
