lister55 0 #1 April 5, 2004 ok. I have contacted two companies about getting a demo. Are the prices on demos going up or something. Both places want over $60 for a weekend. I realize that there is a lot in sending out a demo including what has to be done when it gets back. But these prices are just getting too high. Anyone else with these experiences. Im not sure if I want to mention compay names yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #2 April 5, 2004 Be happy they are even contacting you for a demo. I have one manuf who won't even respond to me about getting a demo. I thought 60-65 was the going rate. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #3 April 5, 2004 Maybe PD's prices went up, but I'm pretty sure they still offer demos for 2 weeks. Dunno about the others though. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #4 April 5, 2004 Depending on how much time you have and your location to other dropzones, I'd look around and see if any of the companies are going to be travelling to your local area DZs, doing "Demo weekends". I got a chance to jump some VXs last year that Iprobably wouldnt have motivated enough to request as demos, 'cause the good people at Icarus came out to our DZ and brought all kinds of canopies to try out. -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lister55 0 #5 April 5, 2004 Be happy they are even contacting you for a demo. I have one manuf who won't even respond to me about getting a demo. I thought 60-65 was the going rate. Quote Actually I am having the same result with one of the companies. I was quoting thier demo price from thier web page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bkdice 0 #6 April 5, 2004 QuoteMaybe PD's prices went up, but I'm pretty sure they still offer demos for 2 weeks. Dunno about the others though. PD is 2 wks for $30 and Anabel will get back to you FAST! http://www.performancedesigns.com/demorequest.asp Icarus is $65 - OUCH. They say it's for 1 week, but they are letting me keep mine for 2 weeks - 3 if I need it (due to weather). They are not (from what I hear) as good with the customer service as PD though. Took them 5 days to get back to me, which apparently, is pretty fast for them. Those are the only 2 companies I have experience with thus far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 291 #7 April 5, 2004 PD only wants you to keep the Katana for one week. $30 includes one-way shipping, you need to pay to ship it back. Big Air Sportz is either $30 or $50 (not sure), and it's the usual 2 weekends, plus return shipping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sky1flygirl 0 #8 April 8, 2004 Performance Designs standard policy it that you are able to keep the canopy for two week, however due to the overwhelming request received for the Katana they have deviated from the normal two weeks to one. Once they waiting list for the Katana goes down they will be sending the Katana out for two weeks just like the rest of their demos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #9 April 8, 2004 Not anymore they aren't, here's an exerpt from a PM someone sent me regarding them trying to get a demo from Big Air: QuoteBig Air has had 4 of their demo canopies stolen. One of which was the 150. So now I can not demo it. I can put a "down payment" on one and if I do not like it get a "full" refund. Granted the jumper didn't say how much the "down payment" was, but they decided against even demoing from Big Air. I know Brian cruises the forums a bit, so maybe he can elaborate or explain. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 291 #10 April 8, 2004 Maybe they don't have the 150 for your friend, but I just shipped back a Samurai 105 3 days ago, after having it to demo for two weekends. They may just not have one right now, and not be in the mood to build/pay for another 150 for demo purposes. Like PD, they take a credit card for the value of the canopy when they ship you a demo, but that doesn't help if someone steals the canopy under other circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #11 April 8, 2004 Quotenot be in the mood to build/pay for another 150 for demo purposes. Sounds like that's the case if you had your demo with no problems. What makes me wonder is how the hell someone steals a demo canopy? Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lister55 0 #12 April 8, 2004 Ok. I am the guy trying to demo this 150. What I was told is that they had several demos stolen somehow. Maybe they were taken at boogies or stolen from people who were demoing them. I dont know, that part is not my problem. However, I was told because of the theft that they do not have a 150 available for demo. But the 135 was offered to me. Not doing that because a I value bones that are intact. The other "alternative" I had was to order a canopy in the 150, give a down payment on the order and if I dont like it, I can send it back. Ok, I am demoing two other canopies. So why would I do this. I have never flown the Samurai and I will not purchase one without flying it first. No matter how good of a canopy anyone says it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnischalke 0 #13 April 8, 2004 You are totally welcome to come up to Skydive Orange in VA and try my Samurai 150 at any time. Just give me a little advance warning. Otherwise, I might be visiting Cedartown within the next 6 weeks, and you'd be welcome to put a few jumps on it there, if ya wanted. Mine does dive more than a stock one because of a slight trim mod, but it'll certainly give you an idea of what it will be like to fly your very own Samurai. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JJ269J 0 #14 April 9, 2004 There is still a company that will let you demo for free. Yep FREE, or at least it was last time I checked. It is Atair aerospace, the guys that make the cobalt canopy. Only flown it once, but I really liked it. It is an elliptical, so you need a little bit of canopy skills but hell,its free, except for shipping of course. check em' out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #15 April 9, 2004 Last time I delt with Atair they had me pay shipping both ways. Still came out to be almost the same as what PD was charging.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davelepka 4 #16 April 9, 2004 ***There is still a company that will let you demo for free Atair aerospace, the guys that make the cobalt canopy. ---------------------------------------------------- I could kick you in the nuts for free, but that doesn't make it a good deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #17 April 9, 2004 QuoteLast time I delt with Atair they had me pay shipping both ways. Still came out to be almost the same as what PD was charging. I just gave my demo to snowflake and he paid shipping back to atair. Worked out well for us both. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JJ269J 0 #18 April 10, 2004 I could kick you in the nuts for free, but that doesn't make it a good deal. --------------------------------------------------------- True, but you still have to pay return shipping from PD. So it my not be completely free, but cheaper than most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bkdice 0 #6 April 5, 2004 QuoteMaybe PD's prices went up, but I'm pretty sure they still offer demos for 2 weeks. Dunno about the others though. PD is 2 wks for $30 and Anabel will get back to you FAST! http://www.performancedesigns.com/demorequest.asp Icarus is $65 - OUCH. They say it's for 1 week, but they are letting me keep mine for 2 weeks - 3 if I need it (due to weather). They are not (from what I hear) as good with the customer service as PD though. Took them 5 days to get back to me, which apparently, is pretty fast for them. Those are the only 2 companies I have experience with thus far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #7 April 5, 2004 PD only wants you to keep the Katana for one week. $30 includes one-way shipping, you need to pay to ship it back. Big Air Sportz is either $30 or $50 (not sure), and it's the usual 2 weekends, plus return shipping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky1flygirl 0 #8 April 8, 2004 Performance Designs standard policy it that you are able to keep the canopy for two week, however due to the overwhelming request received for the Katana they have deviated from the normal two weeks to one. Once they waiting list for the Katana goes down they will be sending the Katana out for two weeks just like the rest of their demos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #9 April 8, 2004 Not anymore they aren't, here's an exerpt from a PM someone sent me regarding them trying to get a demo from Big Air: QuoteBig Air has had 4 of their demo canopies stolen. One of which was the 150. So now I can not demo it. I can put a "down payment" on one and if I do not like it get a "full" refund. Granted the jumper didn't say how much the "down payment" was, but they decided against even demoing from Big Air. I know Brian cruises the forums a bit, so maybe he can elaborate or explain. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #10 April 8, 2004 Maybe they don't have the 150 for your friend, but I just shipped back a Samurai 105 3 days ago, after having it to demo for two weekends. They may just not have one right now, and not be in the mood to build/pay for another 150 for demo purposes. Like PD, they take a credit card for the value of the canopy when they ship you a demo, but that doesn't help if someone steals the canopy under other circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #11 April 8, 2004 Quotenot be in the mood to build/pay for another 150 for demo purposes. Sounds like that's the case if you had your demo with no problems. What makes me wonder is how the hell someone steals a demo canopy? Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lister55 0 #12 April 8, 2004 Ok. I am the guy trying to demo this 150. What I was told is that they had several demos stolen somehow. Maybe they were taken at boogies or stolen from people who were demoing them. I dont know, that part is not my problem. However, I was told because of the theft that they do not have a 150 available for demo. But the 135 was offered to me. Not doing that because a I value bones that are intact. The other "alternative" I had was to order a canopy in the 150, give a down payment on the order and if I dont like it, I can send it back. Ok, I am demoing two other canopies. So why would I do this. I have never flown the Samurai and I will not purchase one without flying it first. No matter how good of a canopy anyone says it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #13 April 8, 2004 You are totally welcome to come up to Skydive Orange in VA and try my Samurai 150 at any time. Just give me a little advance warning. Otherwise, I might be visiting Cedartown within the next 6 weeks, and you'd be welcome to put a few jumps on it there, if ya wanted. Mine does dive more than a stock one because of a slight trim mod, but it'll certainly give you an idea of what it will be like to fly your very own Samurai. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ269J 0 #14 April 9, 2004 There is still a company that will let you demo for free. Yep FREE, or at least it was last time I checked. It is Atair aerospace, the guys that make the cobalt canopy. Only flown it once, but I really liked it. It is an elliptical, so you need a little bit of canopy skills but hell,its free, except for shipping of course. check em' out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #15 April 9, 2004 Last time I delt with Atair they had me pay shipping both ways. Still came out to be almost the same as what PD was charging.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #16 April 9, 2004 ***There is still a company that will let you demo for free Atair aerospace, the guys that make the cobalt canopy. ---------------------------------------------------- I could kick you in the nuts for free, but that doesn't make it a good deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #17 April 9, 2004 QuoteLast time I delt with Atair they had me pay shipping both ways. Still came out to be almost the same as what PD was charging. I just gave my demo to snowflake and he paid shipping back to atair. Worked out well for us both. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ269J 0 #18 April 10, 2004 I could kick you in the nuts for free, but that doesn't make it a good deal. --------------------------------------------------------- True, but you still have to pay return shipping from PD. So it my not be completely free, but cheaper than most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lister55 0 #19 April 12, 2004 Actually I am getting a free (that is completely free) demo from HIPER. I will testing out the Nitro. Does anyone have any good info on this canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #20 April 14, 2004 QuoteThere is still a company that will let you demo for free. Yep FREE, or at least it was last time I checked. It is Atair aerospace, the guys that make the cobalt canopy. Or not...They flat out refused to send me a demo 170...either to Eloy or over here...Oh well, I just went and got a XFire2 instead --- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputnik 0 #21 April 14, 2004 i'm jumping a nítro 108 for the last 200 jumps.... it dives well, but riser pressure gets really hard on longer dives.... in brakes amazing long glides.... maybe you have to change your packing habits (don't roll the nose too much).... and really nice to flare even with lower wingloads..... ENJOY IT.... the new hiper canopy BLADE has a lower profile and goes faster.... _________________________________________ Life's NOT a journey! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyedivr 0 #22 April 15, 2004 Quote PD is 2 wks for $30 and Anabel will get back to you FAST! I filled out a PD request for demo about a week ago. still waiting for a response. what is considered fast? my power is beyond your understanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bkdice 0 #23 April 15, 2004 Hmmmm... she got back to me within just a few hours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lister55 0 #24 April 15, 2004 Yeah, I am going through this with Icarus right now. It seems like it takes them about a week to answer emails. However, Beezy from HIPER is always available. You know, customer service says a lot about a company......I will be demoing the Nitro this weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyedivr 0 #25 April 15, 2004 QuoteYeah, I am going through this with Icarus right now. It seems like it takes them about a week to answer emails. However, Beezy from HIPER is always available. You know, customer service says a lot about a company......I will be demoing the Nitro this weekend. Beezy is awesome! I demoed a blade 108 for two weeks. Beezy makes everyone happy! my power is beyond your understanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
