frankiebrina 0 #1 January 28, 2004 Only 3 more days!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 January 28, 2004 Can't say anything cos I ain't flown either, but I do like Icarus ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #3 January 28, 2004 Flame me all you want, but it will not be as good as the xfire2. It'll be good, but not that good. ***dons flame retardent suit as the pd army light the torches and grab the pitchforks*** Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #4 January 28, 2004 QuoteOnly 3 more days!!!!! Where is the option for 'Scary fast'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #5 January 28, 2004 Quotebut it will not be as good as the xfire2. It'll be good, but not that good Nope, it will be, I mean it IS, better Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #6 January 28, 2004 Like an A-Max. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #7 January 28, 2004 3 days before the Katana is public ?? don't know what it'll be like, certainly very good.---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JYorkster 0 #8 January 28, 2004 Your forgot an option.... "After all the hype and waiting, I really just don't care!" Rock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supergeil 0 #9 January 28, 2004 Just comparing pictures....the Katana looks like it got the most elliptical cut on the tail = more straight/controlled openings just a guess. There is more info about elliptical cut here! http://www.bigairsportz.com/support.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #10 January 28, 2004 We'll just have to see about that when you get back up here, Ari. The first rule of swoop club.... Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bendywendy 0 #11 January 28, 2004 I love my Crossfire 2 - can't say the same about my original crossfire. But you can not touch PD quality! If I wasn't already falling in love with my Velocity demo I would probably order a Katana just on the word of the people that have test jumped it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #12 January 28, 2004 I don't have to think! I have JUMPED IT!!!!!!!!! Bene's of living in FL! It was very nice. Laters, .The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #13 January 30, 2004 QuoteI love my Crossfire 2 - When your landing it and not your reserve, Lol. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #14 January 30, 2004 Where's the "Just like the Samurai without Airlocks" option? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 January 30, 2004 Yer persistant ain't ya'.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #16 January 30, 2004 Have you compared them? And yes, I am. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 January 30, 2004 Have you?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #18 January 30, 2004 Nooooo, I just guessed that the planforms and the airfoil of both the Samurai and the Katana are nearly identical. Maybe the couple Katanas I've seen were just mislabeled Samurais without the airlocks. After all, they are both cut on the same table. The name's probably a coincidence too. Katana is the Japanese word for "Samurai sword." I probably would have never noticed any of this had I not laid my Lotus 170 on a Sabre2 and found them to be nearly identical as well. Please tho, do correct me if I am wrong, or if my eyes weren't working well during my discoveries, or if the canopies I have seen have been mislabled. Nonetheless, when I can get my hands on another Katana for a longer period of time, I will be measuring every possible dimention against a Sam. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #19 January 30, 2004 QuoteI probably would have never noticed any of this had I not laid my Lotus 170 on a Sabre2 and found them to be nearly identical as well. Uh huh. And do they fly alike? Nope.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #20 January 30, 2004 Airlocks and lines. Its funny because I used to think my Lotus was soooooo much different than a Sabre2 because of the differences in how they flew. Then I compared them physically. I was stunned to see how perfectly they matched, to say the least. The Sabre2 was a little more elliptical, had different lines and was lacking airlocks. Those were the only three differences. Upon further reflection and experience with the two, I realized the only differences in flight characteristics was based on trim and the rigidity airlocks provide. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 January 30, 2004 I'll give you one thing, you're dedicated to your airlocks. Nothing wrong with that. Ok so for what ever reason let's assume you're right (we havent talked about cell construction, airfoil thickness inflated, ect.) and they are the same airfoil. The fact they fly differently makes them two different canopies. So if we furthur extrapolate to the Samuri and Katana what is the point in the statement "like a Samuri without the airlocks"? It's going to be a differnt canopy. Even if there were any validity to the statement, I'd probably rather jump the Katana because I have not found an airlocked canopy I've enjoyed flying. Have fun.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #22 January 30, 2004 Soooo, if a canopy by one company is the same as a canopy from another company, except for missing something like airlocks (oh, and the crossports are oblong on one and two circles on another) and therefor flys a little different, that's okay? Maybe this is really nothing more than the normal smoke and mirrors of marketing a new product. Ya know: "nothing new under the sun?" I am not even sure that Brian Germain didn't design the canopy for PD. I think that alone would be a big selling point, but haven't heard anything to indicate that was true. It's just that all the hype about the Katana being some revolutionary design "ready to slice up the competition" really popped like a big balloon for me, because all I see is a Samurai without airlocks. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #23 January 30, 2004 QuoteSoooo, if a canopy by one company is the same as a canopy from another company, except for missing something like airlocks (oh, and the crossports are oblong on one and two circles on another) and therefor flys a little different, that's okay? You missed the point. I could argue that a Formula 1 car, and a station wagon are the same thing cause they both have an internal combustion engine, 4 wheels and the same control systems that they are the same thing. I very much doubt that if you had a Sabre 2 and a lotus and placed the pieces on top of one another prior to assembly you would see the same thing. The Xaos line of canopies are admited to be an evolution of the FX EXTreme, and the VX Extreme, but the are most definately not the same canopy. QuoteI am not even sure that Brian Germain didn't design the canopy for PD. I doubt it, as John LeBlanc claimed to be the designer. QuoteIt's just that all the hype about the Katana being some revolutionary design "ready to slice up the competition" really popped like a big balloon for me, because all I see is a Samurai without airlocks. Again, I think you're creating a story where there is none. When the Crossfire came out it was heralded as some magical new design, different than anythng ever produced. Guess what, it's a 9 cell ram air "eliptical" canopy that when compared to another canopy of the same catagory, looks very similar. Anyway, time will tell, and After I fly a Katana I'll be able to venture my opinion of it. We'll see if it can replace a Stiletto for me (not that I've flown one in a while).---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #24 January 30, 2004 QuoteI very much doubt that if you had a Sabre 2 and a lotus and placed the pieces on top of one another prior to assembly you would see the same thing. Yeah, I looked at individual panels too. Being that they are both assembled by the same women on the same machines, I would assume what is absorbed in the stitchrows to be the same as well. Like I said, if you doubt my findings, try it yourself. I am asking to be proven wrong. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #25 January 30, 2004 Its not a Samurai at all. Think of canopies as having to fit into certian markets. There are 1000 designs that will meet the requirements to get to that level of proformance. All the designs are going to have a lot of similar traits, but its the small things that make each canopy unique. Ask Brian about the Cad templetes and how many points the Lotus/Sabre2 match up. Its a lot, but there are differences also. And its those differences that make each canopy unique.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
