rushmc 18 #1 July 13, 2011 We should follow Germany's lead here! QuoteGermany to fund new coal plants with climate change fund cash http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110713-36277.html Wish we could still build the plant here to send emissions Chicago way"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #2 July 13, 2011 Quote We should follow Germany's lead here! Quote Germany to fund new coal plants with climate change fund cash http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110713-36277.html Wish we could still build the plant here to send emission Chicago way Look at all the countries with high unemployment due to the belief that Green Energy creates jobs... Best move they could have made ( fiscally speaking ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #3 July 13, 2011 Quote Quote We should follow Germany's lead here! Quote Germany to fund new coal plants with climate change fund cash http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110713-36277.html Wish we could still build the plant here to send emission Chicago way Look at all the countries with high unemployment due to the belief that Green Energy creates jobs... Best move they could have made ( fiscally speaking ) Ya I know my post picked a very narrow topic in the link but, it took how many years from the FDR BS for us to have to finally admit it is a failure Rome was not built in a day"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 July 13, 2011 Quote We should follow Germany's lead here! Quote Germany to fund new coal plants with climate change fund cash http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110713-36277.html Wish we could still build the plant here to send emissions Chicago way Ah.. I see your company newsletter for July has come out.... Sponsored by the Kock Brothers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hwt 0 #5 July 13, 2011 Quote Quote We should follow Germany's lead here! Quote Germany to fund new coal plants with climate change fund cash http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110713-36277.html Wish we could still build the plant here to send emissions Chicago way Ah.. I see your company newsletter for July has come out.... Sponsored by the Kock Brothers Your sponsor is George Soros and he is into too many news organizations to list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #6 July 14, 2011 www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #7 July 14, 2011 Quotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #8 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype Weather is what you get tomorrow, not what happens over a decades long timespan.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #9 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype Weather is what you get tomorrow, not what happens over a decades long timespan. Ya So you have to admit that since temps are not rising as predicted and the temp rises are not keeping up with the increases in CO2, polar bears are not dieing (and on and on and on and on) that the AWG hype is being proven for the bs it is Glad to see you coming around"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 July 14, 2011 Quote Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/the-world-waits-on-us-debt-crisis-talks/453012 dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype Weather is what you get tomorrow, not what happens over a decades long timespan. Ya So you have to admit that since temps are not rising as predicted and the temp rises are not keeping up with the increases in CO2, polar bears are not dieing (and on and on and on and on) that the AWG hype is being proven for the bs it is Glad to see you coming around MMMMMMMM<<<<<<< KOCH TRICKLE>>>>> MMMMMMMM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #12 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype Weather is what you get tomorrow, not what happens over a decades long timespan. Ya So you have to admit that since temps are not rising as predicted and the temp rises are not keeping up with the increases in CO2, polar bears are not dieing (and on and on and on and on) that the AWG hype is being proven for the bs it is Glad to see you coming around The great lakes are warming faster than was predicted by early models. Arctic ice is at record lows for this date (those pesky Siberian winds again).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #13 July 14, 2011 Quote http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/...-crisis-talks/453012 QuoteRepublicans, in control of the House of Representatives in part through the support of conservative activists, say they will not vote to raise the limit unless Obama agrees at least to an equal amount of deficit reductions over 10 years. The Federal Reserve chairman, Ben Bernanke, warned lawmakers on Wednesday that not increasing the debt ceiling and allowing the nation to default on its debt would send “shock waves through the entire financial system.” It is a catch 22 for the PNAC criminals. If the debt ceiling is raised with an equal reduction in deficit over the next 10 years, it will become the project for the new Chinese century whatever way you look at it... I reckon we default, fuck the Fed. Quite clearly the US deficit is mainly interest repayments to them on their unconstitutional interest charges. Ron Paul 2012!Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #14 July 14, 2011 Quote We should follow Germany's lead here! Quote Germany to fund new coal plants with climate change fund cash http://www.thelocal.de/.../20110713-36277.html Wish we could still build the plant here to send emissions Chicago way Quote The plan has come under stiff criticism, but the Ministry of Economics and Technology defended the idea. A spokeswoman said it was necessary as the government switches from nuclear to other renewable energy sources and added that the money would promote the most efficient plants possible. You realise the Australians have carbon capture coal plants designed and ready to Go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage The move the Germans are doing is in reality is a Green energy decision as reducing the amount of nuclear power plants greatly reduces the risk to the environment. I too wish we would follow them, but using ths decision as a basis to ignore the human impact on the environment is something quite extraordanry. They are reducing the threat of Nuclear disaster. Period.Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype Weather is what you get tomorrow, not what happens over a decades long timespan. Ya So you have to admit that since temps are not rising as predicted and the temp rises are not keeping up with the increases in CO2, polar bears are not dieing (and on and on and on and on) that the AWG hype is being proven for the bs it is Glad to see you coming around The great lakes are warming faster than was predicted by early models. Arctic ice is at record lows for this date (those pesky Siberian winds again). The Great Lakes aren't the world.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #16 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewww.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2313290/climate-change-already-altering.html Lake Superior warms 4.5 degrees in 27 years, winter ice cover down 15% Must be those Siberian winds. There you go mixing climate and weather when you think it works for you Glad Germany is seeing the bs that is the AGW hype Weather is what you get tomorrow, not what happens over a decades long timespan. Ya So you have to admit that since temps are not rising as predicted and the temp rises are not keeping up with the increases in CO2, polar bears are not dieing (and on and on and on and on) that the AWG hype is being proven for the bs it is Glad to see you coming around The great lakes are warming faster than was predicted by early models. Arctic ice is at record lows for this date (those pesky Siberian winds again). The Great Lakes aren't the world. From NOAA, about extreme weather. 2011 represents the highest damage cost-to-date in the U.S. for any year since 1980 when we began tracking Billion-dollar disasters. Economic damage costs to date in the US approach $32 Billion. The damage cost-to-date in the U.S. from natural disasters is typically less than $6 Billion, from the usual combination of winter storms, crops losses due to cold weather, springtime flooding and severe weather outbreaks. Here is a preliminary summary of 8 U.S. Billion dollar disasters that have occurred so far in 2011: Groundhog Day Blizzard Jan 29-Feb 3 Large winter storm impacting many central, eastern and northeastern states. The city of Chicago was brought to a virtual standstill as between 1 and 2 feet of snow fell over the area. Insured losses greater than $1.1 billion; total losses (e.g., insurance, state and local snow removal, business interruption) greater than $3.9 billion; 36 deaths. Midwest/Southeast Tornadoes April 4-5 Outbreak of tornadoes over central and southern states (KS,MO,IA,IL,WI,KY,GA,TN,NC,SC) with an estimated 46 tornadoes. Over $1.4 billion insured losses; total losses greater than $2.0 billion; 9 deaths. Southeast/Midwest Tornadoes April 8-11 Outbreak of tornadoes over central and southern states (NC,SC,TN,AL,TX,OK,KS,IA,WI) with an estimated 59 tornadoes. Over $1.5 billion insured losses; total losses greater than $2.2 billion; numerous injuries, no known deaths. Midwest/Southeast Tornadoes April 14-16 Outbreak of tornadoes over central and southern states (OK,TX,AR,MS,AL,GA,NC,SC,VA,PA) with an estimated 160 tornadoes. Despite the large overall number of tornadoes, few were classified as intense, with just 14 EF-3, and no EF-4 or EF-5 tornadoes identified. A total of 38 people were killed from the tornadoes, 22 of which were in North Carolina. Over $1.7 billion insured losses; total losses greater than $2.0 billion; 38 deaths. Southeast/Ohio Valley/Midwest Tornadoes April 25-30 Outbreak of tornadoes over central and southern states (AL,AR,LA,MS,GA,TN,VA,KY,IL,MO,OH,TX,OK) with an estimated 305 tornadoes and 320 deaths. Of those fatalities, 235 occurred in Alabama. The deadliest tornado of the outbreak, an EF-5, hit northern Alabama, killing 78 people. Several major metropolitan areas were directly impacted by strong tornadoes including Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Huntsville in Alabama and Chattanooga, Tennessee, causing the estimated damage costs to soar. Insured losses likely greater than $5.0 billion, yet this is still being accounted. Insurance catastrophe modeler AIR estimated insured losses ranging $3.7-5.5 billion. Total losses may approach $10.0 billion; 320 deaths. Midwest/Southeast Tornadoes May 22-27 Outbreak of tornadoes over central and southern states (AL,AR,LA,MS,GA,TN,VA,KY,IL,MO,OH,TX,OK) with an estimated 180 tornadoes and 172 deaths. Notably, an EF-5 tornado struck Joplin, MO resulting in at least 141 deaths, making it the deadliest single tornado to strike the U.S. since modern tornado record keeping began in 1950. Insured losses still being accounted & are unavailable. Insurance catastrophe modeler EQECAT estimates insured losses in Joplin alone ranges from $1.0-3.0 billion. Modeler AIR estimates insured losses for the full May 22-27 event may total $4.0-7.0 billion. Total losses may exceed $7.0 billion; 172 deaths. Texas Drought & Wildfires Spring-Summer 2011 During March and April, drought and wildfires were the main headline across the Texas, New Mexico, and western Oklahoma. Fighting/suppression costs are around $1 million / day; total losses to agriculture and cattle are estimated to range between $1.5-3.0 billion. This cost estimate reflects losses as of 16 June, and will likely rise as the event continues. Mississippi River flooding Spring-Summer 2011 Estimated economic loss ranges from $2.0-4.0 billion. Below are more detailed stats, which are preliminary, as the event continues to unfold (as of 6/16): $500 million to agriculture in Arkansas $320 million in damage to Memphis, Tennessee $800 million to agriculture in Mississippi $317 million to agriculture and property in Missouri's Birds Point-New Madrid Spillway $80 million for the first 30 days of flood fighting efforts in Louisiana Of course, the US isn't the world.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe Great Lakes aren't the world. From NOAA, about extreme weather. Of course, the US isn't the world.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #18 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe Great Lakes aren't the world. From NOAA, about extreme weather. Of course, the US isn't the world. nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png Ice below previous record for this date.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe Great Lakes aren't the world. From NOAA, about extreme weather. Of course, the US isn't the world. nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png Ice below previous record for this date. CO2 still rising, temps still flat.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #20 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe Great Lakes aren't the world. From NOAA, about extreme weather. Of course, the US isn't the world. nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png Ice below previous record for this date. CO2 still rising, temps still flat. June 2011 global temperature anomaly = +0.31C... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe Great Lakes aren't the world. From NOAA, about extreme weather. Of course, the US isn't the world. nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png Ice below previous record for this date. CO2 still rising, temps still flat. June 2011 global temperature anomaly = +0.31C 1998 global temperature anomaly high = +0.75CMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #22 July 15, 2011 To be fair, you can't claim that a 1 year spike in severe weather is related to climate change. It was bad enough in 2005 when the Atlantic Hurricane Season was active and it sent everyone in the media running to stories about 'Global warming has arrived!" type hype. Since 2005 there have been some of the most boring (forgive me, I'm a tracker), I mean quiet years in ages. We don't need claims that this years tornado season was a result of any global warming. One just needs to understand mesoscale and synoptic meteorology. There will be years when things spike - in severe thunderstorms you need cold air, warm air, moisture and wind shear. The trick is for these attributes to overlap at the right time in a way that the cold and warm air create instability along the boundary line and that moisture will feed into it. Now naturally the cold air is usually the result of a cold front with an associated trough which moves in from the west, the moisture typically in from the gulf (assuming we're talking tornado developing supercells). To the point, these low pressure cold frontal systems which move in from the west are not tropical in nature, and so they do not rely on warm water for cyclogenesis. An increase in SSTs wouldn't have the same effect as it potentially has with hurricanes which rely on warm water for 'fuel'. I bring this up because I fail to see how the claim to global warming can be associated in any way with tornadic activity. There has been no evidence of increased tornado activity in the recent passed. Even for the past 10 years you can look at the statistics from NOAA: QuoteREPORTED TORNADOES 2000: 1072 2001: 1219 2002: 938 2003: 1374 2004: 1820 2005: 1262 2006: 1117 2007: 1102 2008: 1685 2009: 1305 2010: 1543 And it is important to note that the number of spotters and chasers (who report many of these tornadoes) exist in much larger numbers over recent years. Looking at natural disaster fatalities records I find useless as they give hardly any indication of the situation. I would be surprised if over the past 60 years the number of severe weather fatalities hadn't continued in a steady incline. We have about tripled the global population in that time, more houses equates to larger chance of fatalities, as well as an increase in tornado reports themselves. The same applies to costs. Expansion is the reason, not an increase in severe weather. One could argue that increase in warning technology means that it should have reduced the number of fatalities and counter for the expansion of communities, but the truth is that it's been quite some time since there were any real advances in tornado warnings and that is why there is still such large tornado research missions. We will likely see costs of natural disasters continue to rise, that is what happens when the area becomes more dense and fields that used to be empty now house large towns. These tornado outbreaks occurred because there were ripe conditions for a few weeks. And it only takes one outbreak for there to be hundreds killed. In 1973 there was the super-outbreak which was very similar to this years outbreak and in 1933 there was an Atlantic hurricane season very similar to 2005. Until people can show an increase in the actual development of severe systems that actually follows an upward trend and not 1 anomaly here and 1 anomaly there, I will definitely not believe that any potential global warming is creating that. With that said, the Atlantic ocean SSTs (sea surface temperatures) have been above 'normal' for almost a decade now for the most part. But warmer water still doesn't mean an increase in severe weather, there's so many other factors. Not to mention that it's not just about SSTs for tropical development but how deep that warm water goes. Ocean water heated only a few meters will not help a hurricane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #23 July 15, 2011 It's not just about tornados. We also have droughts, blizzards, etc. in N. America and Europe, along with rise in temperatures of the great lakes (largest freshwater body in the world), arctic ice on a clearly declining trend over decades...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 July 15, 2011 QuoteIt's not just about tornados. We also have droughts, blizzards, etc. in N. America and Europe, along with rise in temperatures of the great lakes (largest freshwater body in the world), arctic ice on a clearly declining trend over decades... Blizzards in Europe...wasn't that where snow was going to be a thing of the past? Antarctic ice on a clearly increasing trend over decades.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #25 July 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt's not just about tornados. We also have droughts, blizzards, etc. in N. America and Europe, along with rise in temperatures of the great lakes (largest freshwater body in the world), arctic ice on a clearly declining trend over decades... Blizzards in Europe...wasn't that where snow was going to be a thing of the past? Antarctic ice on a clearly increasing trend over decades. Negative. You get too much of your information from Rupert Murdoch. www.nasa.gov/images/content/416688main_20100108_Climate_1_th228x164.jpg... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
