SkyDekker 1,152 #76 March 8, 2011 QuoteAnd I *still* don't need a license or gov't approval to purchase the kit. Bit of a silly argument trying to relate that to guns. Since that would mean you could buy and possess guns without a license or registration. But as soon as you want to use it for its intended purpose registration, licensing and insurance is required. Don't think you would support that concept for guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,152 #77 March 8, 2011 QuoteYou clearly are. You tried to claim something was a loophole, when it is clearly not a loophole. I think you may want to look up a working definition of dodging. QuoteWell then I guess you would be fine with not allowing cars over 100HP to be driven on the road.... You could still get a permit and trailer them to a track if you like. No, that would still ban them from public use. Which I am not in favour of. As stated previously, I do like the idea of people not being able to use them when intoxicated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #78 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteShades of gray confuse and depress them. Funny you mention that, since JR, Kennedy, Airdvr and myself have all stated support for some gun laws. . Me too. I have not even called for any new ones, just better enforcement of existing ones that have already been held to be Constitutional. I would rather have the immigration laws enforced better first.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #79 March 8, 2011 QuoteNo f'in way. The FAR's alone are probably more voluminos than all gun laws put together. Proof? As a plane and gun owner I know better. Show me the FAR's on plane ownership? Show me the FAR's on registration of a plane part? Show me the FAR's on back ground checks to BUY a plane? Show me a BAN on a type of airplane? Show me legislation on banning a plane based on how many people it can carry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #80 March 8, 2011 QuoteSCOTUS has held that the 2nd Amendment is NOT an unlimited right. And they have declared it is an individual right... They also have declared that "weapons suitable for use in a militia" are protected by the 2nd. QuoteThe Supremes have authority to interpret the Constitution, while you do not. And neither do you... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #81 March 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd I *still* don't need a license or gov't approval to purchase the kit. Bit of a silly argument trying to relate that to guns. No, the silly argument is trying to equate usage with simple ownership. Cars/planes are nothing like guns. I can buy a car or a plane without any gov't intervention - I can't do that with a gun. I can use a gun or a car on my own property without any FURTHER interaction with gov't. Kallend clings desperately to the licensing issue for PUBLIC use as a vain attempt to make his argument valid when it obviously is not from the start. He's got nothing but smoke, mirrors and bullshit. QuoteDon't think you would support that concept for guns. The car=gun analogy has been debunked before, too. Licensing? Ok - a simple test that a 15 year old can take with valid reason and any 18 year old can take with no reason at all. Valid in all 50 states and every city, no questions asked. No background checks. No mental checks. Any felon can get one. I can have any gun I want, no federal permission required. I can *build* any gun I want. Full auto, any caliber, any size, and I can buy as many as my bank account can afford. No 'one gun a month' law and no FOID. Registration? Don't need it on private property - same for insurance. Simple ownership is NOT the same as public use, and guns aren't the same as cars.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #82 March 8, 2011 Quote Quote SCOTUS has held that the 2nd Amendment is NOT an unlimited right. And they have declared it is an individual right... They also have declared that "weapons suitable for use in a militia" are protected by the 2nd. Quote The Supremes have authority to interpret the Constitution, while you do not. And neither do you... Careful, you'll hurt his illusions of grandure.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #83 March 8, 2011 QuoteSince that would mean you could buy and possess guns without a license or registration. But as soon as you want to use it for its intended purpose registration, licensing and insurance is required. 1. Ultralights do not require anything. 2. Planes are not protected by the Constitution. Quote I think you may want to look up a working definition of dodging. I have, you fit it perfectly. QuoteNo, that would still ban them from public use. Which I am not in favour of. You are fine with requiring all of that for gun owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #84 March 8, 2011 I didn't say that there were more restrictive laws, I just said there are more. Add in the laws about driving, and there are way more laws about transportation than about guns. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #85 March 8, 2011 QuoteI didn't say that there were more restrictive laws, I just said there are more. Proof? QuoteAdd in the laws about driving.... So you get to use all the rules about cars AND planes AND the USE of cars AND planes and I get to use ownership only? Fact is that there are more gun laws than aviation laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #86 March 9, 2011 QuoteSo you get to use all the rules about cars AND planes AND the USE of cars AND planes and I get to use ownership only? Here's your statement: QuoteFirearm owners have more regulations and restrictions than either pilots or drivers You didn't say, "firearm owners have more regulations than aircraft or car owners," you said pilots or drivers. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,152 #87 March 9, 2011 QuoteYou are fine with requiring all of that for gun owners. Not at all. You are assuming way too much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #88 March 28, 2011 Quote You didn't say, "firearm owners have more regulations than aircraft or car owners," you said pilots or drivers. Got it, you took a page from Kallend and instead of discussing the topic, you change the question so you can answer it the way you WANT instead. There are more rules on ownership of a gun, than a plane or car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #89 March 28, 2011 QuoteNot at all. You are assuming way too much Your posts say I am not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #90 March 28, 2011 Okay, whatever, who fucking cares? There are more regulations regarding the acquisition of money that there are of the ownership of guns. What does that have to do with anything? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #91 March 29, 2011 QuoteOkay, whatever, who fucking cares? Clearly you and I do... Otherwise you would not have tried to prove me wrong. QuoteThere are more regulations regarding the acquisition of money that there are of the ownership of guns. Prove it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #92 March 29, 2011 QuoteProve it. Seen the tax code recently? I'm done with this, it's a silly argument either way. Use all the hyperbolic rhetoric you want, I won't call you out on it. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #93 March 29, 2011 QuoteSeen the tax code recently? I'm done with this, it's a silly argument either way. Use all the hyperbolic rhetoric you want, I won't call you out on it. Got it, you are unable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #95 March 29, 2011 QuoteFuck off. Got it, you are unable and now cussing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
