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QuoteIf the story is correct, they turned up to offer her a voluntary ride to the hospital for evaluation, and then decided to make her go. Is a cop, or paramedic (or anyone) able to decide that step is warranted and important enough to taser her over (less lethal, not non-lethal) in such a short time and under tense circumstances?
If anyone is able, it would be law enforcement and EMTs. They have to make some of the most important decisions on Earth in a split second, and it has to stand up to the examination of dozens of lawyers who have years to nit pick every little thing. Forget green, it's not easty being blue.
In this case, without being there or having audio or somebody stating she made specific comments that led the to believe she was about to kill herself, then I can't say the officers were right or wrong. The fact that they arrested an EMT when no one was injured makes me question their decisions. That seems outside the realm of reasonable to me, without additional info. (could have handled it inter-departmentally via complaint or supervisor sit-down, etc)
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Kennedy 0
QuoteI think many of them are beyond paranoid of anyone else that is not in blue.
Jeane, how many jobs are there out there where people want to kill you for what you wear to work? Nearly all officers know that most folks out there really are decent folks, but that any single person they meet might now be.
QuoteWe will continue to see abuse of power until there is a HUGE C change in the people who are hired as police.
You have any suggestions on how to do that? Officers are just like doctors - most don't want their children to follow in their footsteps, even if it's a family tradition. Paying them like the janitor but expecting them to know law better than a lawyer, couseling better than a shrink, fight better than Jackie Chan, and shoot better than Phoebe Ann Mosey is going to lead to some disconnect between expectations and reality.
QuoteA Policeman is a composite of what all men are, mingling of a saint and sinner, dust and deity.
Culled statistics wave the fan over the stinkers, underscore instances of dishonesty and brutality because they are "news". What they really means is that they are exceptional, they are unusual, they are not not commonplace.
Buried under the frost is the fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. A strangely nameless creature who is "sir" to his face and "fuzz" to his back
He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he won.
But...If the policeman is neat, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a bum. If he's pleasant, he's flirting;if not, he's a grouch.
He must make an instant decisions which would require months for a lawyer
But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding, tie splints and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued.
The police officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit where it doesn't hurt. He must be able to whip two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything-and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single human hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...If he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a dunce. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a dullard. The policeman must chase bum leads to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen-but refuses to remember.
He runs files and writes reports until his eyes ache to build a case against some felon who will get dealed out bu a shameless Shamus or an honorable who isn't honorable
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.
And, of course, he'd have to be genius....For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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jakee 1,330
QuoteIf anyone is able, it would be law enforcement and EMTs.
Yeah, with their degrees in psychiatry and all
Yeah, right, except that no you're completely wrong. (
Ah, so it's a policy issue with you. Yes, I suppose anyone who thinks police or EMT instigated involutary commitments are wrong is going to be against any actions taken to effect one.
Cool, I always wanted free money in terms of a lawsuit settlement against a complete jackass. First of all, seeing a possible crime in the vicinity of my house isn't even enough to get a warrant for legal entry, and is no where near enough to justify warrantless entry. Cursing me just makes the complaint that much easier to explain.
Well, seeing as he's breaking the law and I'm given no indicator of mental health issues beyond being furious at someone breaking into my home, no he doesn't have the right to arrest me or seize private property. Try your analogy again with legal circumstances, and these might almost be difficult questions. As it is all you've put in your example is an officer that isa huge liability for his department.
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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