rushmc 18 #326 December 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteTime flies when your glacier is warming. And it goes slow when two of the most oft quoted (your most oft quoted ) institutions are being acused of fraud and data manipulation, then they have the likes of Algore lie about the age of the emails. I should ask you, would you rather be asscociated as being someone who supported a fraud or would you rather just be wrong. Of course one way you get both now dont you Flies have no political axe to grind. Either they are on Mt. Everest or they are not. As it happens, now they are for the first time in memory. That well could be but, when it comes to the AWG alarmists the political and angenda side makes for bad memory. And then of course there is that other little nasty story about the signatories of the UK scienctists being forced to sign (you know, the 1700 scientists story you referenced earlier in this thread) or loose a job and funding You got a point on the political topic but, as usual you obscure the angle of it."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,658 #327 December 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTime flies when your glacier is warming. And it goes slow when two of the most oft quoted (your most oft quoted ) institutions are being acused of fraud and data manipulation, then they have the likes of Algore lie about the age of the emails. I should ask you, would you rather be asscociated as being someone who supported a fraud or would you rather just be wrong. Of course one way you get both now dont you Flies have no political axe to grind. Either they are on Mt. Everest or they are not. As it happens, now they are for the first time in memory. That well could be but, when it comes to the AWG alarmists the political and angenda side makes for bad memory. And then of course there is that other little nasty story about the signatories of the UK scienctists being forced to sign (you know, the 1700 scientists story you referenced earlier in this thread) or loose a job and funding . Get your facts right for a change. ONE scientist out of 1700 said he felt "pressured". Are you going to claim "Photoshop" on these pictures?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #328 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Time flies when your glacier is warming. And it goes slow when two of the most oft quoted (your most oft quoted ) institutions are being acused of fraud and data manipulation, then they have the likes of Algore lie about the age of the emails. I should ask you, would you rather be asscociated as being someone who supported a fraud or would you rather just be wrong. Of course one way you get both now dont you Flies have no political axe to grind. Either they are on Mt. Everest or they are not. As it happens, now they are for the first time in memory. That well could be but, when it comes to the AWG alarmists the political and angenda side makes for bad memory. And then of course there is that other little nasty story about the signatories of the UK scienctists being forced to sign (you know, the 1700 scientists story you referenced earlier in this thread) or loose a job and funding . Get your facts right for a change. ONE scientist out of 1700 said he felt "pressured". Are you going to claim "Photoshop" on these pictures? No, why should I? It doesnt mean anything. You see, the fraud is on your side, not science. And now you try and use the things nature and (in this case, ice) do. It melts (imagine that) And what is also funny, is ice melts in sub zero temps where there is dry air. Glaciers are either growing or shrinking. that is what they do. But then, you know that. But being truthful does not support your political agenda of cap n tax"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,658 #329 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Time flies when your glacier is warming. And it goes slow when two of the most oft quoted (your most oft quoted ) institutions are being acused of fraud and data manipulation, then they have the likes of Algore lie about the age of the emails. I should ask you, would you rather be asscociated as being someone who supported a fraud or would you rather just be wrong. Of course one way you get both now dont you Flies have no political axe to grind. Either they are on Mt. Everest or they are not. As it happens, now they are for the first time in memory. That well could be but, when it comes to the AWG alarmists the political and angenda side makes for bad memory. And then of course there is that other little nasty story about the signatories of the UK scienctists being forced to sign (you know, the 1700 scientists story you referenced earlier in this thread) or loose a job and funding . Get your facts right for a change. ONE scientist out of 1700 said he felt "pressured". Are you going to claim "Photoshop" on these pictures? No, why should I? It doesnt mean anything. maybe not in cloud-cuckoo land where you hang out. Quote You see, the fraud is on your side, not science. And now you try and use the things nature and (in this case, ice) do. It melts (imagine that) And what is also funny, is ice melts in sub zero temps where there is dry air. It also falls from the sky in the form of snow. Right now we have an UNBALANCE between rate of formation and rate of loss, with loss winning. Ice cannot commit fraud. Quote Glaciers are either growing or shrinking. that is what they do. OK, genius, what % are growing this year? Quote But then, you know that. But being truthful does not support your political agenda of cap n tax You wouldn't know truth about science if it bit you on the nose.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #330 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Time flies when your glacier is warming. And it goes slow when two of the most oft quoted (your most oft quoted ) institutions are being acused of fraud and data manipulation, then they have the likes of Algore lie about the age of the emails. I should ask you, would you rather be asscociated as being someone who supported a fraud or would you rather just be wrong. Of course one way you get both now dont you Flies have no political axe to grind. Either they are on Mt. Everest or they are not. As it happens, now they are for the first time in memory. That well could be but, when it comes to the AWG alarmists the political and angenda side makes for bad memory. And then of course there is that other little nasty story about the signatories of the UK scienctists being forced to sign (you know, the 1700 scientists story you referenced earlier in this thread) or loose a job and funding . Get your facts right for a change. ONE scientist out of 1700 said he felt "pressured". Are you going to claim "Photoshop" on these pictures? No, why should I? It doesnt mean anything. maybe not in cloud-cuckoo land where you hang out. Oohhh, gotta start out with insulting Quote You see, the fraud is on your side, not science. And now you try and use the things nature and (in this case, ice) do. It melts (imagine that) And what is also funny, is ice melts in sub zero temps where there is dry air It also falls from the sky in the form of snow. Right now we have an UNBALANCE between rate of formation and rate of loss, with loss winning. Ice cannot commit fraud. .Exactly, but you prove you do with your misleading posts such as this by stating your opinon as a science fact. Yes there is an unbalance. Hence the loss. You do not however have any proof man is the cause. Weather patterns change all the time. That is by definition what weather does Quote Glaciers are either growing or shrinking. that is what they do. OK, genius, what % are growing this year?depends on the above now doesnt it. I dont know that info and neither do you entotal. I do know the claimes of shrinking ice at the caps is reported in a way that would indicate huge losses in the volume of the ice cover by reporting it as coverage area loss. What they fail to include in there "reports" is the thickening of the remaining ice. Leaving no real net loss if it is really measurable at all Quote But then, you know that. But being truthful does not support your political agenda of cap n tax You wouldn't know truth about science if it bit you on the nose. Maybe, the something closer to the truth than you support IS bitting you in the ass"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #331 December 11, 2009 QuoteTime flies when your glacier is warming. And it slows when it increases. Or when the scientists underestimate the Arctic ice extent by some 190000 square miles.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #332 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Time flies when your glacier is warming. And it slows when it increases. Or when the scientists underestimate the Arctic ice extent by some 190000 square miles. Wow you really uncovered a conspiracy there This is solid proof scientists don't know what they're doing. Those satellites and sensors are made by morons anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #333 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Time flies when your glacier is warming. And it slows when it increases. Or when the scientists underestimate the Arctic ice extent by some 190000 square miles. Wow you really uncovered a conspiracy there Nope, just showing the bias inherent in most of the reporting. BTW, did you have anything of actual *value* to add to the discussion, or just random sniping?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #334 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Time flies when your glacier is warming. And it slows when it increases. Or when the scientists underestimate the Arctic ice extent by some 190000 square miles. Wow you really uncovered a conspiracy there Nope, just showing the bias inherent in most of the reporting. BTW, did you have anything of actual *value* to add to the discussion, or just random sniping? Sorry but to anyone in a science field your posts are pretty funny (and sad). You are just overflowing with so much *value* in this thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #335 December 11, 2009 Quote Sorry but to anyone in a science field your posts are pretty funny (and sad). By all means, dazzle us with your bullshit science field knowledge. Maybe you could start with an explanation of how a .7C/century COOLING trend gets adjusted to show a 1.2C/century WARMING trend and the justification behind it. Quote You are just overflowing with so much *value* in this thread Pot, meet kettle - I repeat my last: Did you have anything of value to add, or just sniping?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #336 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Sorry but to anyone in a science field your posts are pretty funny (and sad). By all means, dazzle us with your bullshit science field knowledge. Maybe you could start with an explanation of how a .7C/century COOLING trend gets adjusted to show a 1.2C/century WARMING trend and the justification behind it. Quote You are just overflowing with so much *value* in this thread Pot, meet kettle - I repeat my last: Did you have anything of value to add, or just sniping? Fortunately I'm not a climatologist and i don't have an army of people like you thinking my realm of work is a left wing scandal If by pointing out that your links are worth complete crap in supporting your argument, you mean sniping; Then yes, I am just sniping. You can carry on with your *valuable* debunking now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #337 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Sorry but to anyone in a science field your posts are pretty funny (and sad). By all means, dazzle us with your bullshit science field knowledge. Maybe you could start with an explanation of how a .7C/century COOLING trend gets adjusted to show a 1.2C/century WARMING trend and the justification behind it. Quote You are just overflowing with so much *value* in this thread Pot, meet kettle - I repeat my last: Did you have anything of value to add, or just sniping? Fortunately I'm not a climatologist and i don't have an army of people like you thinking my realm of work is a left wing scandal If by pointing out that your links are worth complete crap in supporting your argument, you mean sniping; Then yes, I am just sniping. You can carry on with your *valuable* debunking now A well thought out post from yet another anonymous poster By the way, his posts are tightly related to the bunk the pro AWG crowd puts out with glee. Along with polar bear populations and flies and the like. You really need to brush up oh unknown scientist"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #338 December 11, 2009 QuoteA well thought out post from yet another anonymous poster The beauty of science is that it utilizes data and logic instead of appealing to authority.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #339 December 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteA well thought out post from yet another anonymous poster The beauty of science is that it utilizes data and logic instead of appealing to authority. That must be why billvon and kallend were always mentioning "the consensus".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #340 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote A well thought out post from yet another anonymous poster The beauty of science is that it utilizes data and logic instead of appealing to authority. That must be why billvon and kallend were always mentioning "the consensus". Oooo, that one leaves a mark "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #341 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote A well thought out post from yet another anonymous poster The beauty of science is that it utilizes data and logic instead of appealing to authority. And that is all that is being asked of the AWG proponents "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #342 December 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteA well thought out post from yet another anonymous poster The beauty of science is that it utilizes data and logic instead of appealing to authority. That must be why billvon and kallend were always mentioning "the consensus". It seems that you understand defining criteria of the argumentum ad verecundiam logical fallacy as well as you understand the different components of healthcare. You're nothing if not consistent.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #343 December 12, 2009 QuoteYou're nothing if not consistent. True, I am...you can't disprove what I said in either thread.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #344 December 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou're nothing if not consistent. True, I am...you can't disprove what I said in either thread. Captain Briggs: mnealtx: Don't you lecture me, you son of a bitch! Do you know who I am? Do you know my record? Harry Callahan: jcd11235: Yeah... you're a legend in your own mind.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #345 December 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou're nothing if not consistent. True, I am...you can't disprove what I said in either thread. Captain Briggs: mnealtx: Don't you lecture me, you son of a bitch! Do you know who I am? Do you know my record? Harry Callahan: jcd11235: Yeah... you're a legend in your own mind. Whatever. Come up with an actual argument and get back to me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #346 December 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're nothing if not consistent. True, I am...you can't disprove what I said in either thread. Captain Briggs: mnealtx: Don't you lecture me, you son of a bitch! Do you know who I am? Do you know my record? Harry Callahan: jcd11235: Yeah... you're a legend in your own mind. Whatever. Come up with an actual argument and get back to me. Why would I want to do that when your own posts keep demonstrating my points so eloquently?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #347 December 12, 2009 QuoteWhy would I want to do that when your own posts keep demonstrating my points so eloquently? Beats having to come up with any sort of counter-argument, I suppose. Have fun with your ego-stroking.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,658 #348 December 13, 2009 Hey Marc, you like AP reports (at least, you often cite them). Try this one: www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRa5F7Lv_zO0ZKaHmbQENlyV3KdgD9CHUS980... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #349 December 13, 2009 Thanks Kallend. good read! I quite like this part. "Mann explained. Sometimes the data didn't line up as perfectly as scientists wanted. David Rind told colleagues about inconsistent figures in the work for a giant international report: "As this continuing exchange has clarified, what's in Chapter 6 is inconsistent with what is in Chapter 2 (and Chapter 9 is caught in the middle!). Worse yet, we've managed to make global warming go away!" Yes AGW is unquestionable, the science is settled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #350 December 13, 2009 Quote Thanks Kallend. good read! I quite like this part. "Mann explained. Sometimes the data didn't line up as perfectly as scientists wanted. David Rind told colleagues about inconsistent figures in the work for a giant international report: "As this continuing exchange has clarified, what's in Chapter 6 is inconsistent with what is in Chapter 2 (and Chapter 9 is caught in the middle!). Worse yet, we've managed to make global warming go away!" Yes AGW is unquestionable, the science is settled. Thanks Saved me the time of going to the linkNice job kallend"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
