Child abuse cover ups - it's not just for Catholics anymore.

[jakee 1,255]

The BBC are reporting a case where a choir master was just convicted of abusing boys in the 1980. It has emerged that he actually admitted his actions to the Church of England 17 years ago. Instead of informing the police the Church decided to let him leave with a promise of never working with young children again. He immediately took up a post at a music school and has been working with kids ever since.

One of the Bishops involved in the decision not to turn him in was interviewed by the BBC. Did he apologise for their decision? No, in fact he defended it by saying it was a common way of doing things back then, and a CofE spokesman said "But I think also that in accordance with the way things were done in those days the Church can be seen to have done the best it could."

That was just the way things were done - WTF? How many more predators did the church release on society in order to avoid a scandal? When you bear in mind that these are the very people that want to be the moral voice of our nation, well, I am beyond pissed off

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[Royd 0]

They can just claim that they are homosexuals and should get a pass because, after all, it's in their genes.

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They can just claim that they are homosexuals and should get a pass because, after all, it's in their genes.

And then they can go to gay cmp and be cured in two weeks.

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[jakee 1,255]

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They can just claim that they are homosexuals and should get a pass because, after all, it's in their genes.

Please, spare me the pathetic "it's all because of PC" bullshit OK? When the authorities finally found out about his crimes he was convicted and sentanced. Trying to make it about homosexuality is also a complete red herring.

This is all about the Anglican church having what amounts to a policy of covering up the sexual abuse within it's own ranks just so that it could avoid the negative publicity. This is not just some pissant parish level indiscretion either - there were Bishops involved in sweeping this case under the carpet! The highest level representatives of an organisation that demands places on every governmental panel and thinktank for any issue relating to public morality in the United Kingdom.

If ever there was confirmation of what a bunch of useless fucking hypocrites rule the roost in organised religion...

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[DFWAJG 4]

A very prominent Child & adolescent psychiatrist just got arrested for molesting his male patients. It is so sad to me that these monsters are out there. I work everyday with childmolestors. It'svery interesting to hear their stories about their perspective about their crimes. Out of 185 inmates that I see, 90% are sex offenders. Only three have admitted to me about their crimes. One despises himself, and stated that he knwe he was a chester at age 7. He felt most at ease with himself when he was moments awayfrom death after he hung himself. Another, is terribly depressed and guilty about his abuse of his biological daughter. A third, a schizophrenic male, pleaded not to be released by the state hospital because he knew he would do it again and did not want to hurt anymore children. He is accepting of the third strike law because he can never get out to hurt another child again. All of the others, claim not to have done anything, state the six year old came onto him, etc, etc. megans and jessicas laws are worthless. the dont address the issue of prevention. One thing that saves chesters is the Statue of Limitiations. It varies from state to state. Victims have anywhere from 5 to 10 years to disclose from their 18th birthday. Unfortunately, the predators often continue the abuse up to and beyond the statue, then drop the victim when they are safe from arrest. Many make it so that the victim is totally dependent on the perpetrator, and leaving is so difficult, that hte victim feels (and is told) that he/she would not survive without the perp. One way to possibly begin to change the situation is to end the STATUE of limitations. Often victims take years to disclose because of shame. by the time they are ready to disclose, it is too late. and the perp has already moved onto other victims.

[DFWAJG 4]

BTW, out of all of my pedophile patients, (185) only 5 are black (four of those are mentally retarded or severly mentally impaired) 2 are asian, one or two are mexican, all the rest are WHITE. perhaps the reason why the laws are so inadequate is that this is a white man's disease and white men are primarily responsible for the lawmaking.

[Royd 0]

They can just claim that they are homosexuals and should get a pass because, after all, it's in their genes.

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Please, spare me the pathetic "it's all because of PC" bullshit OK? When the authorities finally found out about his crimes he was convicted and sentanced.

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Trying to make it about homosexuality is also a complete red herring.

First off, the Catholic Church pulled the same crap.
If you can show me that these"pedophiles" were abusing children of the opposite sex on a regular basis, then my argument wouldn't have a leg to stand on, but the fact is that most of them are man on boy crimes.

These people are homosexuals and have become experts at seduction and coercion.

I know, because I accidentally came across this underworld in the early '70's. These people are smooth.

[DFWAJG 4]

Child molestation has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is estimated that one in four girls and one in 4 to 10 boys is molested. 2/3rds of these children are molested prior to age 6. one in 12 men are child molesters. Most child molesters are not pedophiles per say. Pedophiles have attractions to children only. but may have a relationship with an adult to gain access to children. the average child molester molests 56 children.

[jakee 1,255]

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one in 12 men are child molesters.... the average child molester molests 56 children.

Your numbers make absolutely no sense.

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[Royd 0]

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Child molestation has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is estimated that one in four girls and one in 4 to 10 boys is molested. 2/3rds of these children are molested prior to age 6. one in 12 men are child molesters. Most child molesters are not pedophiles per say. Pedophiles have attractions to children only. but may have a relationship with an adult to gain access to children. the average child molester molests 56 children.

The topic of the thread was about abuse in the Church of England.

Jakee wants to point the finger at religion as the cause.

Most abuse, especially in the Catholic Church was man on boy. You can play all of the semantic games that you want with child molester or pediphile, but these people are homosexuals first and foremost, and know how to target easy prey.

Let's agree about one thing. They are all sexual deviants.

[DSE 3]

You might have a heyday with all the predator arrests in Utah, the broad majority of which have been some form of leadership in the Mormon church.
Boy Scout leaders, Primary teachers, Stake Presidents (a stake is like a parish) bishops (Mormons call their local "priests" 'bishops' even though they're lay community members without any sort of ecclesiastical nor social training. Their "priests" are actually 16 year old boys) and more highly ranking members of the Mormon leadership.
One guy was nailed having sex with a teenage boy in a bondage swing. The deviant owns a chain of Mormon bookstores.
In other words, it's *all* religions hiding their deviants inside their cloistered world of secrecy.
Utah currently leads the nation per capita on child molestation and child porn convictions.
As an interesting aside, one of the leading candidates for president (Mitt Romney) is a Mormon.
Utahn's generally believe that this sort of topic should be kept in the local religious quarters, not publicized. The general population seems to feel these matters are best managed at the ecclesiastical level.

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Child molestation has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is estimated that one in four girls and one in 4 to 10 boys is molested. 2/3rds of these children are molested prior to age 6. one in 12 men are child molesters. Most child molesters are not pedophiles per say. Pedophiles have attractions to children only. but may have a relationship with an adult to gain access to children. the average child molester molests 56 children.

The topic of the thread was about abuse in the Church of England.

Jakee wants to point the finger at religion as the cause.

Most abuse, especially in the Catholic Church was man on boy. You can play all of the semantic games that you want with child molester or pediphile, but these people are homosexuals first and foremost, and know how to target easy prey.

Let's agree about one thing. They are all sexual deviants.

ummmm.... It is rather late so please bear with me, what does homosexuality have anything to do with child molestation or being a pedophile?

I guess you could say that homosexuals were deviating form the norm I do not believe that placing them in same category as someone violates the innocence of a child is any way appropriate. Not only in the defense of homosexuals, but that it almost makes light of the atrocity that is child molestation.

I also don't think that the original post was so much about the abuse its self but the cover up of it, and it was the church that covered it
up....so finger pointing is rather warranted.....

If I have misunderstood (and I really hope that I have) by all means set me straight.

Why is 6 afraid of seven?
because 7 eight nine!
it's funny, get it?

[jakee 1,255]

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Jakee wants to point the finger at religion as the cause.

No dude, I never said religion was the cause. Learn to fucking read. I said the church policy of covering up abuse when they found it and protecting the abusers from the police was pissing me off.

The perpetrator of the abuse in this case has been tried and convicted - what has happened to the church officials? What has happened to the high level members of this self appointed 'moral watchdog' who knowingly let this predator loose and working with children for 17 years after they could have turned him in? What has happened to these high level members of the church who admitted that they used to cover up cases like this as a matter of course?

They're on advisory committees looking at whether we should grow GM crops. They're on discussion panels looking at whether gay couples can adopt. They're pressing the government to push legislation that would make ridiculing religion a 'hate crime'. They demand to be heard as the conscience of the nation for any piece of social legislation that passes through parliament.

They're a bunch of spineless, smug, hypocritical dress wearing tossers.

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Let's agree about one thing. They are all sexual deviants.

Who, child abusers or homosexuals?

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[DFWAJG 4]

child molestation makes no sense. these are just the statistics. I didn't make them up.

[jakee 1,255]

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child molestation makes no sense. these are just the statistics. I didn't make them up.

What was your source? The numbers are just far too high. The average child would need to be molested multiple times for your stats to make sense.

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[steveorino 7]

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Child molestation has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is estimated that one in four girls and one in 4 to 10 boys is molested. 2/3rds of these children are molested prior to age 6. one in 12 men are child molesters. Most child molesters are not pedophiles per say. Pedophiles have attractions to children only. but may have a relationship with an adult to gain access to children. the average child molester molests 56 children.

I work with kids every day and I would like a source for those stats if you can. Seem WAY out of wack to me.

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[narcimund 0]

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The numbers are just far too high.

Regarding child molestation, no cockamamie claim of spontaneous statistics is too absurd to get parroted by the masses -- or get used to support a draconian law.

In the 50s it was "communism". In the 20s it was "anarchism".

Now the list includes "terrorism", "second-hand smoke", and "safety".

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[Casurf1978 0]

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These people are homosexuals and have become experts at seduction and coercion.

Blame it on the gays. If you look at scientific research, sexual orientation has nothing to do with child molestation or pedophiles.


http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Watch the show 'To Catch a Predator' most of the men caught on that show are white hetero males 25yo+ attracted to girls who are barely 16, one even claimed she was 13 or 14.

[Royd 0]

These people are homosexuals and have become experts at seduction and coercion.

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Blame it on the gays. If you look at scientific research, sexual orientation has nothing to do with child molestation or pedophiles.

Well, let's look at the scenario. Male priests or pastors of any given denomation, especially ones that require celibacy, seduce ignorant, innocent young boys. They generally aren't going after girls. I would say there's a pretty serious tie, in this instance, between homosexuallity and child abuse.

It's just that it's unPC to call a spade a spade.

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I would say there's a pretty serious tie, in this instance, between homosexuallity and child abuse.

Can you spell out in more detail how close a tie you think there is?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[Casurf1978 0]

You're talking about Pedophiles. Did you even read the link I posted. Here's a exert:

"Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994)."

You have to stop pointing the fingers at a minority and look at the hard facts. Child molestors and pedophiles are f-ing sick people that need to be put away.

My mom worked for the courts, in her 10+ years of experience most of the child molestors where white, hetero males. The sick part was that in a lot of cases it was either the father, uncle or someone really close to the family.

[DFWAJG 4]

at this point, it is considered common knowledge.

[DFWAJG 4]

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Child molestation has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is estimated that one in four girls and one in 4 to 10 boys is molested. 2/3rds of these children are molested prior to age 6. one in 12 men are child molesters. Most child molesters are not pedophiles per say. Pedophiles have attractions to children only. but may have a relationship with an adult to gain access to children. the average child molester molests 56 children.

http://www.yellodyno.com/html/children_victims_stats.html
http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html

I work with kids every day and I would like a source for those stats if you can. Seem WAY out of wack to me.

[DFWAJG 4]

What I find interesting is the attitude of inmates towards sex offenders. they are the lowest of the low among criminals. and, there are levels of low among the molesters themselves. the lowest among inmates are fathers who molest their biological children, next are those that molest any child period, then it's rapist of adults, then those who expose themselves. I overheard an inmate once talking to another inmate who said "10 years ago, you could kill one of those fucking child molesters and you'd just get a year in the SHU. Now, if you so much as slap one, you'll get another strike."

[jakee 1,255]

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Child molestation has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is estimated that one in four girls and one in 4 to 10 boys is molested. 2/3rds of these children are molested prior to age 6. one in 12 men are child molesters. Most child molesters are not pedophiles per say. Pedophiles have attractions to children only. but may have a relationship with an adult to gain access to children. the average child molester molests 56 children.

http://www.yellodyno.com/html/children_victims_stats.html
http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html

I work with kids every day and I would like a source for those stats if you can. Seem WAY out of wack to me.

So which of these stats are correct?

• An average of 5.5 children per 10,000 enrolled in day care are sexually abused, an average of 8.9 children out of every 10,000 are abused in the home.
-Finkelhor & Willias, 1988.

• 1 in every 3 to 4 girls is sexually abused before age 18 and 1 in 6 to 8 boys is sexually assaulted by the age of 18.
-Diana Russell Survey, 1978

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