Amazon 7 #26 April 30, 2007 And the elected officials have staffers for??????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #27 April 30, 2007 Quotefurther on all these nonsense suggestions - short term limits will increase the legislators' dependence on lobbyists. Hardly a step forward. ____________________________________ What about, what those 'bought-off' politicians are supposed to do for the people who voted them into that office? They couldn't give a crap less about you and me. They're just looking for the big bucks they can make 'on the side' from the big business lobbyists. Get rid of the lobbyists and maybe, you and I might see a little more out of the politicians we vote for. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turfsurf 0 #28 May 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteNot only do both sides buy into their own rhetoric, they use it as a way to debate each other! Meanwhile, no one is held accountable, the rhetoric fails to see a follow through too many times and public policy becomes seperated from what the public wants. I'm tired of it all and I only see it getting worse from here on out. Term limits... 1 term and go back to doing something respectable. NO campaign contributions...( eliminate the bribery) to ANYONE.... you donate to a general fund that ALL share from for elections. It's all up to us next year to make those changes. The threads here will not do much, but it sure feels good to throw some shit on politicians.Use your turn signal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 May 1, 2007 QuoteQuotefurther on all these nonsense suggestions - short term limits will increase the legislators' dependence on lobbyists. Hardly a step forward. ____________________________________ What about, what those 'bought-off' politicians are supposed to do for the people who voted them into that office? They couldn't give a crap less about you and me. They're just looking for the big bucks they can make 'on the side' from the big business lobbyists. Get rid of the lobbyists and maybe, you and I might see a little more out of the politicians we vote for. Do you actually call or write (postal, not email) your politicians? They're reachable. Lobbyists are experts on the subject matter they cover. Voters, and Members on most matters are not. You think their value is only about dollars. It's not. If I wanted inexperienced, ill advised junior legislators running Congress, I'd look at what happens on the San Francisco board of supervisors first. It ain't pretty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 May 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotefurther on all these nonsense suggestions - short term limits will increase the legislators' dependence on lobbyists. Hardly a step forward. ____________________________________ What about, what those 'bought-off' politicians are supposed to do for the people who voted them into that office? They couldn't give a crap less about you and me. They're just looking for the big bucks they can make 'on the side' from the big business lobbyists. Get rid of the lobbyists and maybe, you and I might see a little more out of the politicians we vote for. Do you actually call or write (postal, not email) your politicians? They're reachable. Lobbyists are experts on the subject matter they cover. Voters, and Members on most matters are not. You think their value is only about dollars. It's not. If I wanted inexperienced, ill advised junior legislators running Congress, I'd look at what happens on the San Francisco board of supervisors first. It ain't pretty. ____________________________ No sir, I don't write or call them. I've spoken with one or two in person and it all wound-up the usual glad-handin', glib, political B.S. I'm sure, those lobbyists are 'experts' in their particular field and I also believe, they try to 'sweeten the pie' for the politicians, to get what they want. I don't know anything about San Francisco so, I'll have to take your word for it. I just don't trust any of them. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,643 #31 May 3, 2007 AGAPE CHURCH Cessna - 500 N700VC 69 . Billye Brim - Glorious Church Fellowship Cessna - 550 N888HS 71 . Creflo Dollar - World Changers Church Learjet - 25B N65A 72 . CRENSHAW CHRISTIAN CTR CHURCH Grumman - G-1159 N132FP 74 . FROM THE HEART CHURCH MINISTRIES Gulfstream - G-1159A N357PR 75 . GREG POWE MINISTRIES Rockwell - NA-265-60 N141SL 76 . JERRY SAVELLE MINISTRIES Cessna - 500 N715JS 77 . JESSE DUPLANTIS MINISTRIES Dassault - Falcon 50 N770JD 78 . JOHH HAGEE MINISTRIES Cessna - 650 N800GM 79 . Kenneth Copeland Ministries Cessna - 500 N501KG, Cessna - 750 N1962J 84 . Mark Cowart - Church For All Nations Learjet - 24D N929MC 86 . Michael Freeman - Spirit of Faith Christian Ctr Hawker - DH.125-3A N685FF 88 . Moore Life Ministries Cessna - 421C N74KP 90 . Nahum Rosario - Maranatha World Revival Cessna - 550 N741T 91 . New Light Christian Center Grumman - G-1159 N829NL 92 . Randy Gilbert - Faith Landmarks Ministries Lockheed - 1329 731 Jetstar N58TS 95 . Tony Brazelton - Victory Christian Ministries Rockwell - NA-265-60 N1GM 96 . Trinity Broadcasting Corp Bombardier - CL-600-2B16 N3PC 97 . WHITE DOVE FELLOWSHIP Israel Industries - 1124A N777HD 98 . WITHOUT WALLS INTERNATIONAL CHURCH Grumman - G-1159 N374PS 99 . WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CENTER Learjet - 24D N711PC 100 . WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CTR Hawker - HS.125 Series 700A N225BJ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #32 May 3, 2007 Quote AGAPE CHURCH Cessna - 500 N700VC 69 . Billye Brim - Glorious Church Fellowship Cessna - 550 N888HS 71 . Creflo Dollar - World Changers Church Learjet - 25B N65A 72 . CRENSHAW CHRISTIAN CTR CHURCH Grumman - G-1159 N132FP 74 . FROM THE HEART CHURCH MINISTRIES Gulfstream - G-1159A N357PR 75 . GREG POWE MINISTRIES Rockwell - NA-265-60 N141SL 76 . JERRY SAVELLE MINISTRIES Cessna - 500 N715JS 77 . JESSE DUPLANTIS MINISTRIES Dassault - Falcon 50 N770JD 78 . JOHH HAGEE MINISTRIES Cessna - 650 N800GM 79 . Kenneth Copeland Ministries Cessna - 500 N501KG, Cessna - 750 N1962J 84 . Mark Cowart - Church For All Nations Learjet - 24D N929MC 86 . Michael Freeman - Spirit of Faith Christian Ctr Hawker - DH.125-3A N685FF 88 . Moore Life Ministries Cessna - 421C N74KP 90 . Nahum Rosario - Maranatha World Revival Cessna - 550 N741T 91 . New Light Christian Center Grumman - G-1159 N829NL 92 . Randy Gilbert - Faith Landmarks Ministries Lockheed - 1329 731 Jetstar N58TS 95 . Tony Brazelton - Victory Christian Ministries Rockwell - NA-265-60 N1GM 96 . Trinity Broadcasting Corp Bombardier - CL-600-2B16 N3PC 97 . WHITE DOVE FELLOWSHIP Israel Industries - 1124A N777HD 98 . WITHOUT WALLS INTERNATIONAL CHURCH Grumman - G-1159 N374PS 99 . WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CENTER Learjet - 24D N711PC 100 . WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CTR Hawker - HS.125 Series 700A N225BJ ...and this list has what to-do with what?? And why did you leave out the other 80+/- from wherever this list comes from? These groups are not telling the world what to do about global warming and then turn a 180 and buy carbon credits that don't do anything. Additionally, despite weird press coverage, a lot of these churches walk their talk in spreading good will and preaching their faith on missions, etc. I don't necessarily believe everything their preaching, but it's their right and if they have the means to use a jet, hey, go big. They aren't making excuses. There is a key difference in point.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #33 May 4, 2007 QuoteQuote AGAPE CHURCH Cessna - 500 N700VC 69 . Billye Brim - Glorious Church Fellowship Cessna - 550 N888HS 71 . Creflo Dollar - World Changers Church Learjet - 25B N65A 72 . CRENSHAW CHRISTIAN CTR CHURCH Grumman - G-1159 N132FP 74 . FROM THE HEART CHURCH MINISTRIES Gulfstream - G-1159A N357PR 75 . GREG POWE MINISTRIES Rockwell - NA-265-60 N141SL 76 . JERRY SAVELLE MINISTRIES Cessna - 500 N715JS 77 . JESSE DUPLANTIS MINISTRIES Dassault - Falcon 50 N770JD 78 . JOHH HAGEE MINISTRIES Cessna - 650 N800GM 79 . Kenneth Copeland Ministries Cessna - 500 N501KG, Cessna - 750 N1962J 84 . Mark Cowart - Church For All Nations Learjet - 24D N929MC 86 . Michael Freeman - Spirit of Faith Christian Ctr Hawker - DH.125-3A N685FF 88 . Moore Life Ministries Cessna - 421C N74KP 90 . Nahum Rosario - Maranatha World Revival Cessna - 550 N741T 91 . New Light Christian Center Grumman - G-1159 N829NL 92 . Randy Gilbert - Faith Landmarks Ministries Lockheed - 1329 731 Jetstar N58TS 95 . Tony Brazelton - Victory Christian Ministries Rockwell - NA-265-60 N1GM 96 . Trinity Broadcasting Corp Bombardier - CL-600-2B16 N3PC 97 . WHITE DOVE FELLOWSHIP Israel Industries - 1124A N777HD 98 . WITHOUT WALLS INTERNATIONAL CHURCH Grumman - G-1159 N374PS 99 . WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CENTER Learjet - 24D N711PC 100 . WORD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CTR Hawker - HS.125 Series 700A N225BJ ...and this list has what to-do with what?? And why did you leave out the other 80+/- from wherever this list comes from? These groups are not telling the world what to do about global warming and then turn a 180 and buy carbon credits that don't do anything. Additionally, despite weird press coverage, a lot of these churches walk their talk in spreading good will and preaching their faith on missions, etc. I don't necessarily believe everything their preaching, but it's their right and if they have the means to use a jet, hey, go big. They aren't making excuses. There is a key difference in point. ______________________________ I believe, it was on '60-Minutes', they looked into these 'high-dollar' preachers and talked with some of their followers. The end result was, not only do the preachers want a 'posh' life-style but, their followers also, want them to live high on the hog. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
