warpedskydiver 0 #1 January 31, 2007 Warrants Issued in Germany Kidnapping Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:16 AM EST The Associated Press By DAVID RISING BERLIN (AP) — Arrest warrants were issued for 13 people in connection with the alleged CIA-orchestrated kidnapping of a German citizen in the agency's extraordinary rendition program, a Munich prosecutor said Wednesday. Prosecutor Christian Schmidt-Sommerfeld told The Associated Press that the warrants were issued in the "last few days" against the "13 alleged kidnappers" on suspicion of false imprisonment and serious bodily harm in connection with the kidnapping of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent. None of the suspects were identified. However, Schmidt-Sommerfeldt said in a later statement that "the personal details contained in the arrest warrants are, according to our current knowledge, aliases of CIA agents." "Further investigation will, among other things, concentrate on trying to determine the clear identities of the suspects," he added. Germany's NDR television released a list of the names of the 13 — 11 men and two women — it said its reporters had obtained. It said three had been contacted, but that all had refused comment. Al-Masri has said he was abducted in December 2003 at the Serbian-Macedonia border and flown by the CIA to a detention center in Kabul, Afghanistan, where he was abused. He has said he was released in Albania in May 2004 after the CIA discovered they had the wrong person. Schmidt-Sommerfeld said prosecutors were led to the 13 suspects after receiving a list in Dec. 2005 of possible people involved in the kidnapping compiled by a Spanish journalist from sources within the country's Civil Guard, a paramilitary police unit that answers to the Interior Ministry. With help from Spanish authorities, they were then able pursue an investigation against "concrete persons," Schmidt-Sommerfeld said. Tips were also received from others, including the Milan prosecutors office and Dick Marty, a Swiss senator who led an inquiry into CIA renditions on behalf of the Council of Europe. Schmidt-Sommerfeld did not elaborate on what the tips were. When Munich prosecutors said last year they were investigating a list of names, German media reported that Spanish authorities were probing the identities of the people they suspect flew aboard a Boeing 737 from the island of Palma de Mallorca on Dec. 24, 2003, to pick up al-Masri after he had been detained by Macedonian authorities. ARD public television reported that investigators worked from passport photocopies made by a hotel where the suspects stayed. The report gave what it said were the cover names of three men who were pilots and lived in North Carolina. In October, Munich prosecutors said that based on the list, they were seeking to ban several CIA agents suspected of kidnapping al-Masri from entering German territory. They did not elaborate. The al-Masri case has been a sore point in otherwise good German-U.S. relations. The U.S. Justice Department has declined to provide Munich prosecutors assistance, citing ongoing legal proceedings in the United States. Al-Masri has asked a federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., to reinstate a lawsuit he filed against the CIA. A judge dismissed the lawsuit in May, ruling that a trial could harm national security by revealing details about CIA activities. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other U.S. officials have declined to address the case. However, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said the United States has acknowledged making a mistake with him.Quote Nice huh? Our German komraden at it again... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #2 January 31, 2007 Uhm... if German agents had kidnapped an American citizen would you think it was crazy for the US to issue arrest warrants?HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #3 January 31, 2007 They would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #4 January 31, 2007 QuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? It doesn't matter, you can not do what they did. If they had to apprehend the individual they should have informed and obtained consent from the local government."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #5 January 31, 2007 QuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Why not? Anyhow, they haven't: Quote All the names on the warrants are aliases... ... so that point is moot. QuoteAl Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen... That is a bold statement. How do you know? Quote.., was he even a German National? Indeed (same link). Btw you didn't answer my question...HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #6 January 31, 2007 Are you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? Think any politician would own up to it? Do you think we don't have operations constantly running in germany and vice versa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rasmack 0 #7 January 31, 2007 QuoteAre you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? Think any politician would own up to it? Do you think we don't have operations constantly running in germany and vice versa? Oh for God's sake. Read the article you posted yourself.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #8 January 31, 2007 IF they are carded intelligence officers they cannot be touched or prosecuted unless you want the entire planet to start capping everyone elses intelligence personnel. There are numerous international agreements on the treatment of and safety of "Carded" officers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,672 #9 January 31, 2007 QuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? Didn't read you own post, eh? the kidnapping of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen Would you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #10 January 31, 2007 QuoteAre you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? Think any politician would own up to it? If there was an agreement then America should be able to provide proof of the agreement. QuoteDo you think we don't have operations constantly running in germany and vice versa? No, I think we probably do. However, there is a difference between passive and aggressive intelligence gathering."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,271 #11 January 31, 2007 QuoteAl Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? QuoteKhaled al-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent. Quote Are you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? QuoteAl-Masri has said he was abducted in December 2003 at the Serbian-Macedonia border Next time at least try reading the article you posted, hey? Edit: Actually that last one might be too harsh, maybe you just needed to look at a mapDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #12 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? Didn't read you own post, eh? the kidnapping of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen Would you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you? Only if they question me by forcing hot women upon me and filling my belly with their truth serum (tetley's ale) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #13 January 31, 2007 Just how do you suppose that Al Masri came up on the CIA's radar and to the point of meriting an operation to extract him and question him at such length? BTW if they only wanted him dead he would have been dead. He must have had information they wanted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #14 January 31, 2007 QuoteJuast how do you suppose .... Are you having trouble concentrating today? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #15 January 31, 2007 Who asked you anyways? Back in your trunk!!! At least I will never be accused of being a secretary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,150 #16 January 31, 2007 Ahh, the old, if the CIA wanted to talk to him he must have been a bad guy defence. That really worked for Mahar Arar too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,672 #17 January 31, 2007 QuoteJust how do you suppose that Al Masri came up on the CIA's radar and to the point of meriting an operation to extract him and question him at such length? BTW if they only wanted him dead he would have been dead. He must have had information they wanted. Would this be the same CIA that the right likes to blame for providing "bad intel" to Bush and the Congress over Iraqi WMDs?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #18 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteJust how do you suppose that Al Masri came up on the CIA's radar and to the point of meriting an operation to extract him and question him at such length? BTW if they only wanted him dead he would have been dead. He must have had information they wanted. Would this be the same CIA that the right likes to blame for providing "bad intel" to Bush and the Congress over Iraqi WMDs? Same pants, different pocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteWould you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you? Only if they question me by forcing hot women upon me and filling my belly with their truth serum (tetley's ale) I had the same response. All British agents are like Heather Graham and Beyonce Knowles (from the Austin Powers movies) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #20 January 31, 2007 I would let those two suck all the "information" they wanted out of me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 January 31, 2007 BTW I already look like Dr. Evil...only a bit larger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #22 January 31, 2007 QuoteBTW I already look like Dr. Evil...only a bit larger.c the only larger character that remotely looked like Dr Evil was Fat Bastard. Do you really want to go and admit that on a public forum. I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back ..... ribs ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #23 January 31, 2007 I merely meant a bit bigger than Mike Myers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nathaniel 0 #24 January 31, 2007 Quote They would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. We call it Amber Alert, and we don't wait for the outcome of an investigation to do it.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,271 #25 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWould you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you? Only if they question me by forcing hot women upon me and filling my belly with their truth serum (tetley's ale) I had the same response. All British agents are like Heather Graham and Beyonce Knowles (from the Austin Powers movies) Weren't they both CIA agents?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rasmack 0 #2 January 31, 2007 Uhm... if German agents had kidnapped an American citizen would you think it was crazy for the US to issue arrest warrants?HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 January 31, 2007 They would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #4 January 31, 2007 QuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? It doesn't matter, you can not do what they did. If they had to apprehend the individual they should have informed and obtained consent from the local government."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #5 January 31, 2007 QuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Why not? Anyhow, they haven't: Quote All the names on the warrants are aliases... ... so that point is moot. QuoteAl Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen... That is a bold statement. How do you know? Quote.., was he even a German National? Indeed (same link). Btw you didn't answer my question...HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 January 31, 2007 Are you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? Think any politician would own up to it? Do you think we don't have operations constantly running in germany and vice versa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #7 January 31, 2007 QuoteAre you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? Think any politician would own up to it? Do you think we don't have operations constantly running in germany and vice versa? Oh for God's sake. Read the article you posted yourself.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #8 January 31, 2007 IF they are carded intelligence officers they cannot be touched or prosecuted unless you want the entire planet to start capping everyone elses intelligence personnel. There are numerous international agreements on the treatment of and safety of "Carded" officers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,672 #9 January 31, 2007 QuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? Didn't read you own post, eh? the kidnapping of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen Would you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #10 January 31, 2007 QuoteAre you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? Think any politician would own up to it? If there was an agreement then America should be able to provide proof of the agreement. QuoteDo you think we don't have operations constantly running in germany and vice versa? No, I think we probably do. However, there is a difference between passive and aggressive intelligence gathering."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,271 #11 January 31, 2007 QuoteAl Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? QuoteKhaled al-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent. Quote Are you sure there was not some behind the door agreement to extract his ass off german soil? QuoteAl-Masri has said he was abducted in December 2003 at the Serbian-Macedonia border Next time at least try reading the article you posted, hey? Edit: Actually that last one might be too harsh, maybe you just needed to look at a mapDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #12 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. Al Masri was not some ordinary law abiding citizen, was he even a German National? Didn't read you own post, eh? the kidnapping of Khaled al-Masri, a German citizen Would you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you? Only if they question me by forcing hot women upon me and filling my belly with their truth serum (tetley's ale) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #13 January 31, 2007 Just how do you suppose that Al Masri came up on the CIA's radar and to the point of meriting an operation to extract him and question him at such length? BTW if they only wanted him dead he would have been dead. He must have had information they wanted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #14 January 31, 2007 QuoteJuast how do you suppose .... Are you having trouble concentrating today? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #15 January 31, 2007 Who asked you anyways? Back in your trunk!!! At least I will never be accused of being a secretary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,150 #16 January 31, 2007 Ahh, the old, if the CIA wanted to talk to him he must have been a bad guy defence. That really worked for Mahar Arar too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,672 #17 January 31, 2007 QuoteJust how do you suppose that Al Masri came up on the CIA's radar and to the point of meriting an operation to extract him and question him at such length? BTW if they only wanted him dead he would have been dead. He must have had information they wanted. Would this be the same CIA that the right likes to blame for providing "bad intel" to Bush and the Congress over Iraqi WMDs?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteJust how do you suppose that Al Masri came up on the CIA's radar and to the point of meriting an operation to extract him and question him at such length? BTW if they only wanted him dead he would have been dead. He must have had information they wanted. Would this be the same CIA that the right likes to blame for providing "bad intel" to Bush and the Congress over Iraqi WMDs? Same pants, different pocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteWould you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you? Only if they question me by forcing hot women upon me and filling my belly with their truth serum (tetley's ale) I had the same response. All British agents are like Heather Graham and Beyonce Knowles (from the Austin Powers movies) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #20 January 31, 2007 I would let those two suck all the "information" they wanted out of me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 January 31, 2007 BTW I already look like Dr. Evil...only a bit larger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 January 31, 2007 QuoteBTW I already look like Dr. Evil...only a bit larger.c the only larger character that remotely looked like Dr Evil was Fat Bastard. Do you really want to go and admit that on a public forum. I want my baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back, baby back ..... ribs ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #23 January 31, 2007 I merely meant a bit bigger than Mike Myers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #24 January 31, 2007 Quote They would probably not post their pictures and names on the television news, along with where they live. We call it Amber Alert, and we don't wait for the outcome of an investigation to do it.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,271 #25 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWould you approve if British agents turned up in Illinois and kidnapped you? Only if they question me by forcing hot women upon me and filling my belly with their truth serum (tetley's ale) I had the same response. All British agents are like Heather Graham and Beyonce Knowles (from the Austin Powers movies) Weren't they both CIA agents?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
