yjumpinoz 0 #1 January 4, 2007 There seems to be a fair amount of agnostics and atheists here and I was curious if they believe in such a thing as sin? I believe we are born into sin and I think it has been confirmed by my 1 1/2 old son. I did not have to teach him to throw fits and misbehaving. It seems I need to teach him to do the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #2 January 4, 2007 I'm a theist, not an atheist or agnostic, but let me ask, what do you define as "sin"? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #3 January 4, 2007 QuoteI'm a theist, not an atheist or agnostic, but let me ask, what do you define as "sin"? allowing chocolate milk to go undrunk and having to throw it out ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #4 January 4, 2007 Thats a good question. I will have to think of a defintion for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #5 January 4, 2007 From the biblical greek, it is missing the mark (as in missing the bull's eye) but who defines the bull's eye? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #6 January 4, 2007 QuoteThats a good question. I will have to think of a defintion for me. So it's ok to just make up a definition that works for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #7 January 4, 2007 QuoteFrom the biblical greek, it is missing the mark (as in missing the bull's eye) but who defines the bull's eye? Excellent point. To some people eating beef is a sin. To others not eating all the beef you put on your plate is a sin. It's a very subjective concept. One biggie, though, is spilling good beer. That is just a sinfull waste. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #8 January 4, 2007 Don't misunderstand me. From my world view, God determines the bull's eye; I simply noted that others do not always agree with my world view. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #9 January 4, 2007 QuoteDon't misunderstand me. From my world view, God determines the bull's eye; I simply noted that others do not always agree with my world view. 1 John 3:4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #10 January 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteDon't misunderstand me. From my world view, God determines the bull's eye; I simply noted that others do not always agree with my world view. 1 John 3:4 Yes, sin is lawlessness, but it more than that. JC helped us redine sin with his interpretations of Jewish moral codes that were more strict (as in lusting was as bad as adultery) steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #11 January 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteThats a good question. I will have to think of a defintion for me. So it's ok to just make up a definition that works for you? Oh for cryin' out loud. You must be a real hoot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #12 January 4, 2007 No misunderstanding at all, I agree with you 100%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yjumpinoz 0 #13 January 4, 2007 I have my belief, but I was more curious of the atheists and agnostics thoughts on sin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #14 January 4, 2007 QuoteYes, sin is lawlessness, but it more than that. JC helped us redine sin with his interpretations of Jewish moral codes that were more strict (as in lusting was as bad as adultery) Doesn't really matter does it? "Sin is transgression of the Law." It doesn't matter if it is in action or thought. I don't know if that's a redefinition but rather a further clarification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #15 January 4, 2007 QuoteI have my belief, but I was more curious of the atheists and agnostics thoughts on sin. Cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #16 January 4, 2007 QuoteOh for cryin' out loud. You must be a real hoot. You wouldn't believe!!! (no pun intended) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #17 January 4, 2007 I consider sin to be something that goes against my moral code. If I felt guilty about doing something, I committed a sin. Essentially, my moral code consists of not harming anybody for gratuitous or selfish reasons or without an honest rationalization. Therefore, just lusting after a taken girl is not sinful, however, attempting to seduce her is, but ... if she comes onto me without my provocation ... well that's gray area. Lying, cheating, and stealing are wrong 99% of the time.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #18 January 4, 2007 QuoteI was more curious of the atheists and agnostics thoughts on sin. Sin does not have to be tied to god or religion. You can be an atheist, and still "sin". Definition Note the part about "moral law". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #19 January 4, 2007 If you're referring to the theological type of sin (which I assume you are, since you mention atheists and agnostics), then one would need to believe in God before they could believe in sin. So no, I don't believe in that type of sin. Now if you're just referring to sin as in doing something wrong, then sure, I believe in that. But "wrong" can be subjective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #20 January 4, 2007 No"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #21 January 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteThats a good question. I will have to think of a defintion for me. So it's ok to just make up a definition that works for you? Or perhaps it's just ok for him to clarify what it is he's asking. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #22 January 4, 2007 That is a disturbing avatar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #23 January 4, 2007 Why thank you. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #24 January 5, 2007 That is a disturbing avatar. *** Avatar hell..... that's just Dave before his vente-half white chocolate-half dark chocolate-two shot vanilla mocha thingamabob.... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #25 January 5, 2007 QuoteThere seems to be a fair amount of agnostics and atheists here and I was curious if they believe in such a thing as sin? I believe we are born into sin and I think it has been confirmed by my 1 1/2 old son. I did not have to teach him to throw fits and misbehaving. It seems I need to teach him to do the right thing. I don't consider a 1 1/2 y/o child throwing a fit to be a sin, though. It's just a young child learning how to get along in the world. Nothing bad about it. You're teaching him what's socially acceptable. Not what's "good." In many ways, my son shows me that kids are born good. For instance, he's heard my potty mouth since he was born (though I do TRY to do better....sometimes it just slips). The child tells me over and over that I shouldn't talk like that. He SURE doesn't repeat those words....though he does question how a word can be bad, because it just doesn't make sense to him. His sense of morality is definitely different from mine. I think he came into the world "good," and so far I've been successful in not messing him up. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. 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yjumpinoz 0 #13 January 4, 2007 I have my belief, but I was more curious of the atheists and agnostics thoughts on sin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #14 January 4, 2007 QuoteYes, sin is lawlessness, but it more than that. JC helped us redine sin with his interpretations of Jewish moral codes that were more strict (as in lusting was as bad as adultery) Doesn't really matter does it? "Sin is transgression of the Law." It doesn't matter if it is in action or thought. I don't know if that's a redefinition but rather a further clarification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #15 January 4, 2007 QuoteI have my belief, but I was more curious of the atheists and agnostics thoughts on sin. Cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #16 January 4, 2007 QuoteOh for cryin' out loud. You must be a real hoot. You wouldn't believe!!! (no pun intended) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #17 January 4, 2007 I consider sin to be something that goes against my moral code. If I felt guilty about doing something, I committed a sin. Essentially, my moral code consists of not harming anybody for gratuitous or selfish reasons or without an honest rationalization. Therefore, just lusting after a taken girl is not sinful, however, attempting to seduce her is, but ... if she comes onto me without my provocation ... well that's gray area. Lying, cheating, and stealing are wrong 99% of the time.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 January 4, 2007 QuoteI was more curious of the atheists and agnostics thoughts on sin. Sin does not have to be tied to god or religion. You can be an atheist, and still "sin". Definition Note the part about "moral law". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #19 January 4, 2007 If you're referring to the theological type of sin (which I assume you are, since you mention atheists and agnostics), then one would need to believe in God before they could believe in sin. So no, I don't believe in that type of sin. Now if you're just referring to sin as in doing something wrong, then sure, I believe in that. But "wrong" can be subjective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 January 4, 2007 No"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #21 January 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteThats a good question. I will have to think of a defintion for me. So it's ok to just make up a definition that works for you? Or perhaps it's just ok for him to clarify what it is he's asking. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #22 January 4, 2007 That is a disturbing avatar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #23 January 4, 2007 Why thank you. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #24 January 5, 2007 That is a disturbing avatar. *** Avatar hell..... that's just Dave before his vente-half white chocolate-half dark chocolate-two shot vanilla mocha thingamabob.... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #25 January 5, 2007 QuoteThere seems to be a fair amount of agnostics and atheists here and I was curious if they believe in such a thing as sin? I believe we are born into sin and I think it has been confirmed by my 1 1/2 old son. I did not have to teach him to throw fits and misbehaving. It seems I need to teach him to do the right thing. I don't consider a 1 1/2 y/o child throwing a fit to be a sin, though. It's just a young child learning how to get along in the world. Nothing bad about it. You're teaching him what's socially acceptable. Not what's "good." In many ways, my son shows me that kids are born good. For instance, he's heard my potty mouth since he was born (though I do TRY to do better....sometimes it just slips). The child tells me over and over that I shouldn't talk like that. He SURE doesn't repeat those words....though he does question how a word can be bad, because it just doesn't make sense to him. His sense of morality is definitely different from mine. I think he came into the world "good," and so far I've been successful in not messing him up. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
