Doctors vs Quacks

[philh 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5007118.stm

Interesting controversey here between qualified doctors and some nutcase that believes in various delusions eg homeopathy - the "science" that says the more you dilute a substance the stronger it gets. Funny I usually get more drunk with a stronger drink than a weaker one.

[nanook 1]

We have a lot of "subluxation" type chiropractors here in the U. S. They won a Restraint of Trade lawsuit against the AMA years ago and tend to think the suit provides proof of their legitimacy. They play the conspiracy theory style victimization and many people buy it. A good number, however, have moved to using it as complimentary therapy and lower back pain treatment, but there is still some that make wild claims.

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[kallend 1,635]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5007118.stm

Interesting controversey here between qualified doctors and some nutcase that believes in various delusions eg homeopathy - the "science" that says the more you dilute a substance the stronger it gets. Funny I usually get more drunk with a stronger drink than a weaker one.

For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

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[jakee 1,257]

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For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

Cool little fact.

So PhD's can say "No, actually I am a real doctor"

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 1,635]

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For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

Cool little fact.

So PhD's can say "No, actually I am a real doctor"

Correct!doctorate was a teaching qualification, later (in the 19th century) appropriated by quacks to mean practitioner of medicine. Then lawyers jumped on the same bandwagon with the JD degree.

This devaluation of the doctors' degree is akin to the modern practice of having pre-school and kindergarten graduates wearing caps and gowns.

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[philh 0]

Language like so many toher things evolves. Meanings of words change I see no reason to use some ancient definition of the word Dr rather than the current one.
Did you know Fuck orginally meant fornication under the command of king? not sure I will only use this word for the royals.

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Did you know Fuck orginally meant fornication under the command of king?...

No. Because it doesn't!

The work "FUCK" has it's origins in Scandanavian language (german, Swedish, Dutch, Fresian (like so many English words).- it's original meaning is thought to be a verb to strike.

http://www.answers.com/topic/fuck

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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it's original meaning is thought to be a verb to strike.

That's funny. In a sense, it still kind of means the same today: "I'd like to hit that!!" "She Bangs!!"

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it's original meaning is thought to be a verb to strike.

That's funny. In a sense, it still kind of means the same today: "I'd like to hit that!!" "She Bangs!!"

Yeah... And it gets worse! It's thought that "Fik" / "Fok" "Feck" etc... was used in germanic or Scandanavian languages as an euphemism for another word meaning sexual intercourse and gradually replaced the earlier word which is now lost.

They WERE saying in their language: "I'd Hit that!" So as not to be impolite! It's strange how things go around.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Andy9o8 0]

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Then lawyers engineers jumped on the same bandwagon with the JD degree their "PhD's"

Fixed it for ya!

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[kallend 1,635]

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Then lawyers engineers jumped on the same bandwagon with the JD degree their "PhD's"

Fixed it for ya!

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Ignorant and poor "fix".

1. Depends if they teach or not. 2. Don't need a PhD to be a licensed engineer. In fact most licensed engineers do NOT have PhDs.

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[Andy9o8 0]

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Ignorant...

Can't take a little joke? Feeling a little grouchy this morning?
Whatever.

[kallend 1,635]

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Ignorant...

Can't take a little joke? Feeling a little grouchy this morning?
Whatever.

You wrote "<<Runs>>" so I assumed you wanted a response. You didn't expect a response?

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[Dagny 0]

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For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

Actually, kallend, I believe the origin of the term doctor is Greek and referred to teachers of philosophy. It was assigned to those people who committed to learning, the pursuit of knowledge, and the sharing of that knowledge. In that sense, the use of the term doctor to convey both the PhD recipient and the physician is appropriate as both have made such a commitment to continued learning and sharing their knowledge (teaching).

Though the physician does not employ the traditional classroom in the learning setting, they maintain a role both to heal and educate. In educating, a doctor can be expected to teach about disease processes, pathophysiology of disease, treatment options derived from research and evidence based medicine, and the practice of wellness. Additionally, the education process in obtaining a Doctorate of Medicine is not an insignificant journey and should not be regarded as anything less challenging than the education of a PhD.

I respect the privilege of the PhD recipient to be referred to as doctor and the rights that the degree confers to the individual. And I demand that the same respect be afforded to me and my colleagues in medicine. You have no right to refer to the community of people who have chosen to educate themselves in medicine as quacks. In disregarding the entire population of physicians in this way, you teach and dispel ignorant statements which deviate from the very meaning of the title you hold in such high esteem.

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[jakee 1,257]

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Actually, kallend, I believe the origin of the term doctor is Greek and referred to teachers of philosophy. It was assigned to those people who committed to learning, the pursuit of knowledge, and the sharing of that knowledge.

Do you know what the word is in Greek?I haven't come across it before and your description sounds like sophists or, well, philosophers.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 1,635]

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For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

Actually, kallend, I believe the origin of the term doctor is Greek and referred to teachers of philosophy. .

According to Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: 1doc·tor
Pronunciation: 'däk-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English doctour teacher, doctor, from Middle French & Medieval Latin; Middle French, from Medieval Latin doctor, from Latin, teacher, from docEre to teach

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[Dagny 0]

We would be remiss not to recognize the close association between Greek and Latin languages. I do believe that Greek preceded Latin for the Romans, but I don't feel that argument is useful.

The Story of the Physician...(with references)

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In ancient Greece there was a group of philosophers called Physikos. They were noted for gaining their knowledge of nature from thinking rather than studying it first hand. From these thoughts they taught biology and medicine, and were called doctors ("to teach "); their students, "physicus", or physician....When "doctor" came into English in the 13th century, it took on the Medieval Latin meaning of a religious teacher, adviser, scholar, and father of the Christian Church-all in the sense of "to make to appear right" and "a shower of the way." This allowed the title of "doctor" to be split into collegiate and medical circles.

Wikipedia-Doctor of Philosophy - PhD

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Doctor of Philosophy, or Ph.D. (an abbreviation for the Latin "Philosophiæ Doctor"; or alternatively Doctor philosophiæ, D.Phil., originally from the Greek meaning "Teacher of Philosophy"), was originally a degree granted by a university to learned individuals who had achieved the approval of their peers and who had demonstrated a long and productive career in the field of philosophy. The appellation of "Doctor" (from Latin: teacher) was usually awarded only when the individual was in middle age. It indicated a life dedicated to learning, to knowledge, and to the spread of knowledge.

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[jakee 1,257]

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originally from the Greek ...... meaning "Teacher of Philosophy"

Well the forum doesn't seem to support the Greek alphabet but the words you've got there can be transliterated as Didactor Philosophias, which is the root for didactic.

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didactic \dy-DAK-tik; duh-\, adjective:
1. Fitted or intended to teach; conveying instruction; instructive; teaching some moral lesson; as, "didactic essays."
2. Inclined to teach or moralize excessively; moralistic.

So Kallend is probably right, Latin is the root for doctor.

Of course both origins support the statement that doctor means teacher so its not all that important really.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Lindsey 0]

I think it's kinda funny that if you say you're a doctor, people generally think of physicians to the exclusion of all the rest of the doctors.... most of whom are a helluva lot smarter than me. :)

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Don't need a PhD to be a licensed engineer. In fact most licensed engineers do NOT have PhDs.

And neither a P.E. (one form of licensing is called a P.E. or "professional" engineer - you get a stamp and maybe a piece of paper with your name on it) nor a PhD implies the ability to deliver a real product. Nor does getting a P.E. imply "professional"ism in any way. In most cases, just the opposite - particularly with the PhDs (but there are always dramatic exceptions to any generalization) we find a lot of bluster and little delivery. Sometimes it's just best to get to work and deliver and not worry about the ego driven set of titles and certifications that others are making money on.

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[Dagny 0]

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most of whom are a helluva lot smarter than me.

LOL
Or just more OCD and type A than the rest of us! Good point, though. As for people smarter than me, I've gotta say that med school has been a humbling experience.

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[kallend 1,635]

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Don't need a PhD to be a licensed engineer. In fact most licensed engineers do NOT have PhDs.

And neither a P.E. (one form of licensing is called a P.E. or "professional" engineer - you get a stamp and maybe a piece of paper with your name on it) nor a PhD implies the ability to deliver a real product. Nor does getting a P.E. imply "professional"ism in any way. In most cases, just the opposite - particularly with the PhDs (but there are always dramatic exceptions to any generalization) we find a lot of bluster and little delivery. Sometimes it's just best to get to work and deliver and not worry about the ego driven set of titles and certifications that others are making money on.

You sound insecure!

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You sound insecure!

That's just a side effect of gun ownership, I understand.

Actually - being very high up in the engineering management chain, I can assure you that most of the real work always gets done by the decent and hardworking technicians and operators that the facists exploit (those last 4 words are for the usual crowd here).

A typical millionaire's profile in this country is usually the small entrepeneur, not the degreed specialist. (The willingness to dig in and take a risk is the main input to success, the level of education is not a significant factor - personality, not education is more important - I know, I'm shooting myself in the foot with that one, but it's true.)

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That's just a side effect of gun ownership, I understand

ROFLMAO!!!

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personality, not education is more important

Very true.

I've been in the NYC financial sector for over 10 years now. The people that make the most money are those that listen the best, every time. I wish someone had taught me that. I was 35 by the time I figured it out by myself, and I'm still working at it 10 years later.

The degree will get you in the door. Once you're in the door, personality becomes very important.

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[Andy9o8 0]

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The willingness to dig in and take a risk is the main input to success, the level of education is not a significant factor - personality, not education is more important - I know, I'm shooting myself in the foot with that one, but it's true.

It is true, but even more than risk-taking, I've found that the aspect of personality possessed by most of the very, very successful small businesspeople I've known is drive and focus. It's like they're on massive doses of Ritalin 24/7.

Edit: Hmm...maybe its because they're on massive doses of Ritalin 24/7.