nacmacfeegle 0 #26 December 14, 2005 "Apparently the Fire Service is being criticised because the local Fire Station was inadequately equipped to deal with this incident!" COMAH regs dude, COMAH regs, its the evil corporations that really are at fault here. Inadequate hazard management, breach of DSEAR laws, probably breach of HSAW law too. This amount of tank fires in one incident smacks of inadequate understanding of fire and explosion risk analysis, piss poor ER planning, and a sub standard safety case. The fire fighters had to withdraw because nobody knew what was in one of the tanks....WTF! Personally, I blame Total/Fina, they are French after all.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #27 December 14, 2005 Nope! The FBU is criticising the local fire service for being inadequately epuipped.... What is "Adequate Equipment" to deal with a fire that shows up on weather satellites!? "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools The Clan MacFeegle." Oh yeah... Fixed your sig line for ya! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #28 December 14, 2005 QuoteI am Nac MacFeegle of the Clan MacFeegle. I was born in 1518 in the village of Glenfinnan on the shores of Loch Shiel. And I am immortal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #29 December 14, 2005 Think adequate provisions as opposed to adequate equipment. Adequate equipment for a fire of this nature would be beyond the agreed definition of ALARP, as defined by Lord Asquith in the Coal board vs Edwards case. The technical definition of As Low As Reasonably Practical is the underpinning concept of all our current safety laws, the accepted definition of this term is the one laid down by Asquith.. So, for example, at a recent overtime spree at Gleneagles a number of provisions were available to you, or atleast your colleagues, like a Chinook, it would be unreasonable (but fun) to have one available 24/7 at Auchterarder. So, what you have is a central repository of 'provisions', large foam stocks, specialised equipment, monitors, telescopic foam pourers, mobile bowsers, high capacity monitors (cannons), breaching inlets and suchlike, etc. This is made availalabe to the nation, but not necessarily at every fire station. Very specialised equipment could be held on site, eg Haz Mat kits and soforth. If you see what I mean. However, demonstrating the efficacy of these 'provisions' is the reponsibility of the terminal owners, or duty holders in terms of the Control Of Major Accident Hazards regulations and associated HSAW laws. The duty holder in this case obviously got something wrong, they either underestimated the hazards associated with their plant, or they overestimated the capability of the local emergency response facilities, either way, its not the fire brigades' fault. Its the fault of the people who own the hazard.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #30 December 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteI am Nac MacFeegle of the Clan MacFeegle. I was born in 1518 in the village of Glenfinnan on the shores of Loch Shiel. And I am immortal. Actually, The Clan MacFeegle occupies an unusual (and fortunately UNIQUE) place in Scottish History! You will never find them on any Clan map of Scotland. Nor will you find their Clan Tartan... Breed of sheep... Castle... Home Etc... The reason for this is that they never actually owned any of these things! If they ever happened to need Food, Clothing, Shelter, or even (VERY occasionally) WOMEN they simply waited 'til it was dark and clubbed the nearest fellow Scot over the head & took the stuff. While there were occasions in Scottish History when other clans committed similar acts, The Clan MacFeegle were perhaps unique in being consistently too bloody lazy to bother keeping the stuff. For example, when The Clan MacFeegle seized Stirling Castle on Tuesday September 10th 1297 they basically kipped there for the night, ate a sheep for breakfast and then buggered off, leaving the proper owner, one WIlliam Wallace, wondering: "Whit Ra Feck 'Appened?" when he regained consciousness! Despite their somewhat obscure place in Scottish History, they were widely feared throughout the land, and their terror remains to this day. I have personally seen the awesome Nac MacFeegle charging over the crest of a hill wiff his skirt billowing "seductively" (his description) around his thighs and waving his Sgain-Dubh (which he prefers to call his Claymore) about. This very sight has caused thousands to scatter... And I can assure you that every single one of those sheep was scared for a lot more than it's life! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #31 December 14, 2005 "when The Clan MacFeegle seized Stirling Castle on Tuesday March 12th 1388 they basically kipped there for the night, ate a sheep for breakfast and then buggered off, leaving the proper owner wondering: "Whit Ra Feck 'Appened?" when he regained consciousness! " Och that...at least we did the dishes afore we left. Wisnae even a proper Ceildidh, we ran oot of whisky before supper and had to drink beer till dawn, the dancin' wis fine mind ye.. Mind that wee stramash on the grass in front of Stirling a few years earlier, about 1314 or so, now that, that was a proper party ! Most folk folk think that Robert the Bruce sent back the English army of 40,000 with just 13,000 Scots...pure pish, dinnae believe yon Hollywood history, It wis three Macfeegles with a hangover that day, we'd hae done the joab sooner had wee been proper fightin' drunk..-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #32 December 14, 2005 Quote"when The Clan MacFeegle seized Stirling Castle ... leaving the proper owner, one William Wallace Esq. wondering: "Whit Ra Feck 'Appened?" when he regained consciousness! " Och that... Most folk folk think that Robert the Bruce sent back the English army of 40,000 with just 13,000 Scots...pure pish, dinnae believe yon Hollywood history, It wis three Macfeegles with a hangover that day, we'd hae done the joab sooner had wee been proper fightin' drunk.. And there we have the Clan MacFeegle version! What really happened was that Mr. W. Wallace Esq, having regained consciousness and crying "Whit Ra Feck 'Appened", then mistook a group of English neighbours, coming to help, for "Yon Bunch O' Bastards Whit Belted ma Heid and stole Ma Favourite Sheep, Morag!" The rest, as they say, is history! Morag was never seen again. You actually have to wait for more modern times until there is a record of The Clan MacFeegle heading south towards London. This particular Scottish invasion was abandoned at Crewe when the Buffet Car ran out of alcohol! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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nacmacfeegle 0 #34 December 14, 2005 "This particular Scottish invasion was abandoned at Crewe when the Buffet Car ran out of alcohol!" Aye a bad day, much sobriety and peacefullness, very bad. 1977 if I recall, fortunately a small number of Feegles had the foresight to arrange a supertanker of ale to be docked at Tillsbury, so a minor party went ahead, albeit somewhat subdued.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #35 December 14, 2005 QuoteFor example, when The Clan MacFeegle seized Stirling Castle on Tuesday September 10th 1297 they basically kipped there for the night, ate a sheep for breakfast and then buggered off, Never use the words sheep and buggered in the same sentence when your talking about the MacFeegles. They're a bit sensitive about that part of their history. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #36 December 14, 2005 Quote bad day, much sobriety and peacefullness Sheeplessness (as I recall), very bad ... a small number of MacFeegles had the foresight to arrange a supertanker of ale to be docked (but were regrettably unable to secure THIS) ... a small party, albeit somewhat subdued..... I heard about that - so I've "corrected" the story! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #37 December 14, 2005 "They're a bit sensitive about that part of their history. " Not as sensitive as the sheep after we have finished with them, they know when they've been 'Feegled'.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
