What did this guy do? What am I missing?

[Tonto 1]

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You never hear about the 99 times they do it right, only the 1 time of the hundred that a mistake is made.

And if those stats were acceptable - I'd have a lot of very damaged AFF students. 1 in 100 is not good enough. It's not even close.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[SkyDekker 1,155]

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In South Africa, and I'm sure in the rest of the world, you're allowed to disobey a police officer. At that point they can deciede whether or not they have sufficient evidence to arrest you.

An example. Police officer says to me -

"Come with me."

I say "Am I under arrest?"

Police officer says "No."

I say. "Then I'd rather not. I have things to do."

Or Police officer says "What's in your bag?"

I say "I'd rather not say." (having just bought myself some lovely lingerie.)

Surely the police officer needs some kind of reasoning over and above me standing in a public place to destroy my luggage and drag me to the ground?

I agree, though keep in mind that police generally is allowed to detain without arrest.

[Tonto 1]

True. And if you're detained with insufficient evidence, and are not charged, you can sue. Our constitution is very concerned with our rights, considering our recent heritage and history of detention without trial. It's really tough being a cop here. You're not even allowed to shoot and armed person UNTIL HE HAS FIRED ON YOU. Seeing the weapon, having it pointed at you - these are not reasons to permit you to fire. Personally, I think that's a bit sad.

The title of this thread is "what did this guy do?" and of course, the correct answer is "Nothing." A more correct answer is that he scared a bunch of people, or more likely revealed to a whole bunch of people how scared they already were, and that in the "home of the brave."

We've been that route here. Maybe it's the "stiff upper lip" heritage we get from the Brits, but when a bomber was blowing up "Wimpy" hamburger franchises about 15 years back, the running joke was "The Wimpy burger. Costs you and arm and a leg, but it's worth it!" Perhaps it's the US media that's to blame. They sure know how to scare the crap out of 270 million people for what 19 bad people did on a single day, and they know how to keep them scared.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[SkyDekker 1,155]

unfortunately, the US has become so paranoid that shit like this happens.

I keep hearing that the US will not let terrorists change their way of life, yet it seems it has and continues to in ever bigger forms.

[Pendejo 0]

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And if those stats were acceptable - I'd have a lot of very damaged AFF students. 1 in 100 is not good enough. It's not even close.

At the risk of sounding like Bill Clinton (definition of "is"). It would depend on your definition of "mistake." Are you performing at 100% of you abilities on the ground and in the air 100% of the time with an AFF student? A mistake isn't necessarily life and death (although it is obvious that it can be) every time it is made. It can be as small as putting a student in a jumpsuit that is little to loose cause he's a big guy, only to have him de-arch and slow his fallrate to the point that you have to work really hard to stay with him (note that I did NOT say "could not stay with him").

But lets use your example of the AFF student. Do I understand you correctly that you can instruct a student on 100 items (without using the SIM, as police don't get to carry their manuel with them) and would have a less than 1% mistake ratio? Remember that a mistake is ANYTHING that is not exactly taught the way it is written in the SIM. The easy answer is YES right? I think most instructors have that ability. Now lets put it in the real world. You have multiple students, asking multiple questions, to which you are expected to not only know all the answerers, but you better say it in a "pleasant" manor (regardless of what kind of day you have had prior). While I'm sure there are people that could get 100% of the questions they were asked right 100% of the time. I believe there are a lot more of us that would allow our ego to say we would be 100% right all the time when in reality we would be doing quite well to be right 99% of the time in the second scenario.

The statement that I made in the previous post had more to do with how some people look only for the mistakes in something rather than all the good that is done (which you illustrated with your response quite nicely ).... And less to do with a 1% mistake ratio.

Pendejo

He who swoops the ditch and does not get out buys the BEER!!

[Tonto 1]

Well, I think "Mistake" hinges on consequence.
Out of 1700+ AFF dives, I've never blown up a student's car for
parking in the staff parking lot. Nor have I beaten them into submission for smoking near my gear, although the temptation is always there.

With AFF, it's usually a one on one situation, like the example you have with the baggy jump suit. This was a system error. Someone called someone else, people confired, a desision was made, and I, and many other people feel it was the WRONG desision. If not, why did it make the papers?

Thanks for your vote of confidence in my ability as an instructor, but I feel even if I don't cover 100% of the subject matter, my participation on the dive should be able to cover what I have missed, or what the student is either unable to recall or unable to apply.

It sucks to have to be right. It sucks being a grunt at a roadblock and machinegunning a car full of innocent people to a standstill while following the rules of engagement correctly. It sucks being a cop who has seconds to make a desision in poor light that others will debate the pro's and cons of under flourecent lighting in an airconditioned room for a month, or a year, or two.

Of course, whether you are refering to the policeman, the soldier - the common trait they share is that they are the profesionals, and they are dealing with amatures 99% of the time who are unaware of their rules of engagement.

The other 1%? Do what you're trained to do. If you're wrong - understand that there is consequence to your actions.

It's the year of the Pig.

[Pendejo 0]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has deported an Australian citizen who was arrested on Capitol Hill after a bomb scare earlier this week, an immigration spokesman said on Friday.
"U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement has removed Wenhao Zhao," said spokesman Michael Keegan. "ICE will not tolerate menacing conduct by visitors to the United States and we will remove anyone who carries on such as he did.

Keegan said Zhao was escorted by ICE officials to Australia where he was met by government officials.

Zhao raised suspicions on Monday after he stood outside the Capitol for about an hour with two black suitcases and demanded to see President Bush. The area was evacuated, roads were closed and tours stopped.

When Zhao would not respond to police, several officers tackled him and dragged him away. Police later blew up one of his bags, but found no explosives or dangerous materials.

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***"ICE will not tolerate menacing conduct by visitors to the United States and we will remove anyone who carries on such as he did.

What did he do that fulfills the meaning according to webster listed below?!

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Main Entry: 2menace
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): men·aced; men·ac·ing
transitive senses
1 : to make a show of intention to harm
2 : to represent or pose a threat to : ENDANGER
intransitive senses : to act in a threatening manner
- men·ac·ing·ly /-n&-si[ng]-lE/ adverb

Unless there is a gross lack of reporting going on here, these people are going WAY out of their way to justify what they did...

Pendejo

He who swoops the ditch and does not get out buys the BEER!!