joeflies 0 #1 October 9, 2015 Hi, I'm looking to purchase my first complete rig and have a question. Do the pilot chute and bridle come with a container when you buy it, or do they need to be purchased separately? Or do they come with the main canopy? What about the D bag? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theplummeter 14 #2 October 9, 2015 The deployment bag, bridle, and pilot chute are part of the container system and come with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #3 October 9, 2015 A canopy (main or reserve) includes the canopy and lines, slider, and links (metal Rapide links or soft links). Everything else belongs to the container: - main deployment bag - main pilot chute - main risers - main toggles - reserve deployment bag - reserve pilot chute - reserve toggles - cutaway cable - reserve ripcord - RSL It's a good idea to confirm what is included when buying used gear (especially when buying online where you can't see it in person). People sometimes sell a canopy with the risers, D-bag, and PC; then they sell the container to someone who then has to go out and spend more money on replacing the missing parts. Less expensive to the buyer (though perhaps just as inconvenient if parts aren't available locally), I've also seen people sell canopies without the links."It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeflies 0 #4 October 10, 2015 Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeflies 0 #5 October 10, 2015 Perfect, thanks for the info! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #6 October 10, 2015 Joeflies quoted directly from Parachute Industry Technical Standard 102 which became the industry standard 30 years ago. However, not all skydivers follow the written standard when selling second-hand equipment. Used canopies without links get sold every week. Selling a canopy without links is cruel because it requires the new owner to devote an extra half-hour to straightening lines before he can start to search for new links, etc. .... a frustrating waste of time "@&$! Selling a used canopy on risers is fairly common, partly because mini-risers wear out quickly (lasting maybe 1,000 jumps) and most mini-risers are cross-compatible with most harness/containers. Selling the d-bag with a canopy is just, plain silly since the d-bag is made at the container factory to match that specific container. Finding replacement d-bags involves comparing, measuring, head scratching and often concludes with a phone call to the container factory. However, if some of the other components are missing, it might be a blessing as they are high-wear items. If someone tries to sell you an incomplete harness/container, try to talk them down a few hundred dollars ..... the cost of replacement pilot-chute, risers, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #7 October 11, 2015 riggerrob Used canopies without links get sold every week. Selling a canopy without links is cruel because it requires the new owner to devote an extra half-hour to straightening lines before he can start to search for new links, etc. .... a frustrating waste of time "@&$! I actually don't mind getting a canopy without links. I find doing the layout quite therapeutic! However, in a thread a while back someone mentioned that attaching a main canopy to the risers is something that has to be done by a rigger. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4755492;search_string=rigger;#4755492 Is that correct? Because if so, it adds an extra step for a user before they can jump their new canopy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 102 #8 October 11, 2015 yoinkIn a thread a while back someone mentioned that attaching a main canopy to the risers is something that has to be done by a rigger. Is that correct? Quit asking that question before you get an answer you don't like. In any case, riggers are not required to keep records of work done on main canopies and other non-TSO'd parts. And I just really can't remember who did the attaching. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #9 October 12, 2015 Opinions vary ..... The FAA would prefer to ignore main canopies completely ... if they were not mentioned in Federal Air Regulations. On a practical note, many POPS know how to assemble their own mains and do the job gracefully. Sadly, this skill is rarely passed on to junior jumpers, so we always encourage junior jumpers to have a rigger inspect their assembly before jumping it. A second set of eyeballs is the best inspection tool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
