Tonto 1 #26 December 20, 2002 Man, we outside the US are so tired of you sending troops wherever you choose. It's the new colonialism, and you've lost every war so far. I think the US is the ultimate rouge state, and the only country not to sign up to the war crime commision in the Hauge. The US commits war crimes every day. Laws are like spiderwebs. The flies are caught, and the powerful break free. You're pissing off more people every day, and making angry young orphans with nothing to do but die for Islam. Just a thought. Use it, don't use it, whatever. t It's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #27 December 20, 2002 Quote I think the US is the ultimate rouge state You're just mad cause we have all the really good guns. Quote and making angry young orphans with nothing to do but die for Islam It's OK....we'll kill them too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #28 December 20, 2002 You do have all the good guns, but it isn't lost on the rest of the world that you hav'nt had a war against only white people in 85 years. Russia thought they were powerful. As for the world boycotting the US being a case of "cutting off their nose" I'm not so sure. No one likes 1 supreme power. Its scary, and when people are afriad they usually react violently. Time will tell, but history has shown that no empire lasts forever. Non. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #29 December 20, 2002 Quoteit isn't lost on the rest of the world that you hav'nt had a war against only white people in 85 years. The Russians were white weren't they? Most of them anyway. QuoteNo one likes 1 supreme power. Its scary, and when people are afriad they usually react violently. True... QuoteTime will tell, but history has shown that no empire lasts forever. Very true....we are still quite young though....only been around a couple hundred years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #30 December 20, 2002 Quote Deciding to be the world's cop is an expensive undertaking. You are right. My personal method would be to pay our delinquent UN bills, then work to make change through that body. Let the financial burden and the moral responsibility of peace be more of a global undertaking. Where the peaceful approach doesn't work, let the costs of war be global as well, with the peacekeeping force a multinational UN one. Just my $.02. So far your $.02 has been right on the MONEY. to add to that I think we should get the funds to civer our Nat. debt by forcing all the dead beat countries that STILL owe us! Fact: Finland is the ONLY country that paid us back in the known U.S. history( They paid in Sliver bars/bricks too)_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #31 December 20, 2002 Quote Quote Deciding to be the world's cop is an expensive undertaking. You are right. My personal method would be to pay our delinquent UN bills, then work to make change through that body. Let the financial burden and the moral responsibility of peace be more of a global undertaking. Where the peaceful approach doesn't work, let the costs of war be global as well, with the peacekeeping force a multinational UN one. Just my $.02. So far your $.02 has been right on the MONEY. to add to that I think we should get the funds to civer our Nat. debt by forcing all the dead beat countries that STILL owe us! Fact: Finland is the ONLY country that paid us back in the known U.S. history( They paid in Sliver bars/bricks too) ROTFLMAO Utopian pipe dream, you have a better chance of seeing pigs fly out of madonna's ass. Main Entry: [1]uto·pi·an Pronunciation: -pE-&n Function: adjective Usage: often capitalized Date: 1551 1 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a utopia; especially : having impossibly ideal conditions especially of social organization 2 : proposing or advocating impractically ideal social and political schemes 3 : impossibly ideal : VISIONARY 4 : believing in, advocating, or having the characteristics of utopian socialism "It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #32 December 20, 2002 Quote Finland is the ONLY country that paid us back in the known U.S. history( They paid in Sliver bars/bricks too) Yeah...but didn't they get all that silver from the Nazis? Quote you have a better chance of seeing pigs fly out of madonna's ass Wasn't that in that sex book she had out a few years ago? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #33 December 20, 2002 >ROTFLMAO Utopian pipe dream, you have a better chance of seeing >pigs fly out of madonna's ass. I dunno about that. We had utopian pipe dreams about freeing the slaves, giving equal rights to women, cleaning up the air - those all seem to have come true, through hard work by a lot of people. If everyone works at it we get it. If everyone says "Oh, right, it's a pipe dream!" we don't. It's fortunate, I think, that we seem to have enough people who don't say that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #34 December 20, 2002 This war may have been a bad thing for Bush, considering we didn't get Bin Laden - kind of like coitus interruptus - you get all excited, then nothing happens. I went to the annual German Christmas market a few days ago - usually full of German/Eastern Europe vendors hawking Christmas-related paraphenalia, german food, etc. This year there were almost none - seems that they were boycotting the US due to the impending war. Has Pax Americana gone too far? We used to be just the big kid on the block with the best economy and military. Now we don't seem to give shit about any other country or even the UN. Maybe we can win all these little wars in the middle east, but we're not going to win the PR war if every other country is against us. Does anyone else see that we need to get back in line with the rest of the world?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #35 December 20, 2002 Quote>ROTFLMAO Utopian pipe dream, you have a better chance of seeing >pigs fly out of madonna's ass. I dunno about that. We had utopian pipe dreams about freeing the slaves, giving equal rights to women, cleaning up the air - those all seem to have come true, through hard work by a lot of people. If everyone works at it we get it. If everyone says "Oh, right, it's a pipe dream!" we don't. It's fortunate, I think, that we seem to have enough people who don't say that. Through the UN? I think you might have misundersttod what my reply was to(maybe/maybe not) Either way, there are far too many personal/national agendas trying to be served by the UN to ever create what was mentioned."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #36 December 20, 2002 >We used to be just the big kid on the block with the best economy > and military. Now we don't seem to give shit about any other country > or even the UN. Maybe we can win all these little wars in the middle > east, but we're not going to win the PR war if every other country is > against us. Does anyone else see that we need to get back in line > with the rest of the world? "Get in line with?" Not really. We're never going to see the need to 'line up' with everyone, nor should we - we're always going to be doing our own thing. So will most other countries. That's a good thing. We do need to realize, though, that endless military action will eventually backfire. It may not be Iraq, or even North Korea, but someday we're going to go up against a country that has nuclear weapons, and will use those weapons to defend themselves - and they will be perfectly justified in doing so. We've been preaching the doctrine of nuclear deterrence for half a century now. The US, as a whole, doesn't seem to mind the deaths of a few hundred US military, or a few thousand non-US civilians - but they will mind very much seeing ten thousand people in LA or even Anchorage killed by a nuclear weapon. We seem to be OK at diplomacy when we put our minds to it. Diplomacy, backed with our economic power (which is second to none) and our military as a last resort, should be our primary means of dealing with other countries. The UN is a good forum to do that in. And for all Bush's blustering, I am impressed that he has been going through the UN, and at least giving a diplomatic resolution a shot. I hope he continues down this road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #37 December 20, 2002 >Either way, there are far too many personal/national agendas trying >to be served by the UN to ever create what was mentioned. The whole purpose of the UN is to _represent_ those national agendas, just as the purpose of the US senate is to represent the agendas of individual states. Is there a lot of bickering, grandstanding, personal campaigning, and special interests in the senate? You bet. But more often than not it works. The UN is no different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #38 December 20, 2002 Quote>Either way, there are far too many personal/national agendas trying >to be served by the UN to ever create what was mentioned. QuoteThe whole purpose of the UN is to _represent_ those national agendas Right, I got that part. But again, going back to the statement in which I replied to, it will never happen for that very reason."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #39 December 20, 2002 >But again, going back to the statement in which I replied to, it will never happen for that very reason. It won't happen because it's working exactly as intended? OK, I guess I don't see the logic in that, but it wouldn't be the first time I missed the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #40 December 20, 2002 Quotekind of like coitus interruptus - you get all excited, then nothing happens. hehehehe, coitus interruptus... now THAT's f'in funny! steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DZBone 0 #41 December 20, 2002 Quote we outside the US are so tired of you sending troops wherever you choose. Chaney and Rumsfeld are not the US, they are only unfortunately holding political power right now. True patriots are working on changing that situation... Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #42 December 20, 2002 Quote Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. You have got to be kidding...if Gore was so smart, he would have had wedged a wider rift in the popular vote in more of the states forcing the electoral college to elect him.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #43 December 20, 2002 QuoteWe're never going to see the need to 'line up' with everyone, nor should we - we're always going to be doing our own thing. So will most other countries. That's a good thing. True most of the time, but it's not a good thing when it involves war with other countries. The days of one country just bombing the hell out of another country because it doesn't like their ideals (or anything else) or wants their land should be over. I would like to say it ended with WW2, but that's obviously not true - example Iraq taking over Kuwait. When one country does something to another, or in this case, potentially poses a threat to another, it's not (IMO) the responsibility of a third country to go in and kick ass. If ALL (or most) of the rest of the countries agree that it should be done, then all (or most countries) should be willing to dedicate troops and do something about it. The only time I've seen this done was the gulf war. Not only should the United States not be the world police, we should not be the overwhelming majority force in said expeditions, and in most cases, military actions against other countries (outside of direct attack on our soil) should be in council with the United Nations. This is a case where I don't think (although I may be wrong) that the world opinion is with us. I don't even think UN opinion is with us - maybe I'm wrong about that as well. Could it be time to admit that we (not me, personally, but perhaps the Bush administration) is wrong? Majority opinion isn't always right, but it often is in the best interest of the majority. I don't know if what I feel is necessarily correct, but it stems from hating to see my own country be a bully for no other reason than the fact that it can be.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DZBone 0 #44 December 20, 2002 Quote Quote Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. You have got to be kidding...if Gore was so smart, he would have had wedged a wider rift in the popular vote in more of the states forcing the electoral college to elect him. You're right, I forgot to mention "integrity". _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #45 December 20, 2002 Quote Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. But Powell decided that awhile ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #46 December 20, 2002 Quote But Powell decided that awhile ago. Ya know that is one guy I think I could actually feel good about voting for. He is soo damn diplomatic. Never runs his mouth. Very direct. Hell...anybody that can survive as a general in the political arena has to be pretty swuft!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #47 December 20, 2002 Shit, Clay. Here I go agreeing with you again. I'd vote for him too. Keeps his mouth shut when he should, seems to be straightforward and honest, and is careful in what he does say. The only problem is that he is smart enough not to want the job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #48 December 20, 2002 McCain would have been a nice choice too.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #49 December 20, 2002 QuoteMcCain would have been a nice choice too. I personally wouldn't call McCain a "nice" choice. I'm not that fond of him as a candidate. But I'd admit he has Bush beat in many areas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DZBone 0 #50 December 20, 2002 Quote I'd vote for him too. Keeps his mouth shut when he should, seems to be straightforward and honest, and is careful in what he does say. No kidding. Time was, I would reject him because I disagree with a lot of his politics. Now, I would vote for him because he has proven himself to be strong and courageous as SoS, even against his bosses, prevailing social disorder, whatever. He seems to do what he thinks is right, even if Chaney, the NAACP, or the UN think it's right or not. What the hell, he's moderate enough... _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,435 #39 December 20, 2002 >But again, going back to the statement in which I replied to, it will never happen for that very reason. It won't happen because it's working exactly as intended? OK, I guess I don't see the logic in that, but it wouldn't be the first time I missed the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #40 December 20, 2002 Quotekind of like coitus interruptus - you get all excited, then nothing happens. hehehehe, coitus interruptus... now THAT's f'in funny! steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #41 December 20, 2002 Quote we outside the US are so tired of you sending troops wherever you choose. Chaney and Rumsfeld are not the US, they are only unfortunately holding political power right now. True patriots are working on changing that situation... Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #42 December 20, 2002 Quote Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. You have got to be kidding...if Gore was so smart, he would have had wedged a wider rift in the popular vote in more of the states forcing the electoral college to elect him.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #43 December 20, 2002 QuoteWe're never going to see the need to 'line up' with everyone, nor should we - we're always going to be doing our own thing. So will most other countries. That's a good thing. True most of the time, but it's not a good thing when it involves war with other countries. The days of one country just bombing the hell out of another country because it doesn't like their ideals (or anything else) or wants their land should be over. I would like to say it ended with WW2, but that's obviously not true - example Iraq taking over Kuwait. When one country does something to another, or in this case, potentially poses a threat to another, it's not (IMO) the responsibility of a third country to go in and kick ass. If ALL (or most) of the rest of the countries agree that it should be done, then all (or most countries) should be willing to dedicate troops and do something about it. The only time I've seen this done was the gulf war. Not only should the United States not be the world police, we should not be the overwhelming majority force in said expeditions, and in most cases, military actions against other countries (outside of direct attack on our soil) should be in council with the United Nations. This is a case where I don't think (although I may be wrong) that the world opinion is with us. I don't even think UN opinion is with us - maybe I'm wrong about that as well. Could it be time to admit that we (not me, personally, but perhaps the Bush administration) is wrong? Majority opinion isn't always right, but it often is in the best interest of the majority. I don't know if what I feel is necessarily correct, but it stems from hating to see my own country be a bully for no other reason than the fact that it can be.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #44 December 20, 2002 Quote Quote Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. You have got to be kidding...if Gore was so smart, he would have had wedged a wider rift in the popular vote in more of the states forcing the electoral college to elect him. You're right, I forgot to mention "integrity". _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #45 December 20, 2002 Quote Although the only one with any brains/guts just decided not to run for office. But Powell decided that awhile ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #46 December 20, 2002 Quote But Powell decided that awhile ago. Ya know that is one guy I think I could actually feel good about voting for. He is soo damn diplomatic. Never runs his mouth. Very direct. Hell...anybody that can survive as a general in the political arena has to be pretty swuft!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #47 December 20, 2002 Shit, Clay. Here I go agreeing with you again. I'd vote for him too. Keeps his mouth shut when he should, seems to be straightforward and honest, and is careful in what he does say. The only problem is that he is smart enough not to want the job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #48 December 20, 2002 McCain would have been a nice choice too.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #49 December 20, 2002 QuoteMcCain would have been a nice choice too. I personally wouldn't call McCain a "nice" choice. I'm not that fond of him as a candidate. But I'd admit he has Bush beat in many areas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #50 December 20, 2002 Quote I'd vote for him too. Keeps his mouth shut when he should, seems to be straightforward and honest, and is careful in what he does say. No kidding. Time was, I would reject him because I disagree with a lot of his politics. Now, I would vote for him because he has proven himself to be strong and courageous as SoS, even against his bosses, prevailing social disorder, whatever. He seems to do what he thinks is right, even if Chaney, the NAACP, or the UN think it's right or not. What the hell, he's moderate enough... _________________________________________________ If you hadn't read this, would it have made a sound? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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