Joe2003 0 #1 August 21, 2012 Hey I currently jumping a PD silehoutte 170. I have 240 jumps on it and wanted to downsize to a 150. I have the option of an Electra 150 locally but had some questions. Why is the max weight on it so low?!! It looks like its set at a wingloading of 1.0.. Is a wl of 1.25-1.3 just going to pop the cells? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 August 21, 2012 It's a hybrid - the bottom skin is F111. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe2003 0 #3 August 21, 2012 Sorry, but where did I say I had 240 jumps? I said I had 240 on that canopy... Was asking about the canopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charshakh 0 #4 August 21, 2012 Tried a SIL 150 for about 10 jumps at 1.15:1! It was HELL OF FUN to fly but landings wasn't that fun... The canopy couldn't flare at all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #5 August 21, 2012 Quote .. The canopy couldn't flare at all... Maybe it was hoping that you would help it!"The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #6 August 21, 2012 QuoteHey I currently jumping a PD silehoutte 170. I have 240 jumps on it and wanted to downsize to a 150. I have the option of a 150 locally but had some questions. Why is the max weight on it so low?!! It looks like its set at a wingloading of 1.0.. Is a wl of 1.25-1.3 just going to pop the cells? Because that is the weight PD feels is safe for that canopy. But if you own it you can load it any way you want. What's the worst that can happen. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fullflight 0 #7 August 21, 2012 The placarded weight limits on Main canopies are guidelines and legal disclaimers but on the Silhouettes I remember that the canopies got very, VERY twitchy at higher wing loadings. At loads below a certain point, they behaved in a docile fashion. A move to a 150 from a 170, assuming a current jumper and nominal canopy skills should not pose a problem but if you are near the wing loading line that crosses into "twitchy" territory, you may not like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe2003 0 #8 August 21, 2012 Just re-read my original post. I was talking about an Electra 150, not the SIL. My mistake, poorly worded :-) I have jumped a 150 SIL and was happy with it, but the Electra 150 has a MAX exit weight of 70KG. I know this is out of my weight limits (most people over 6ft too) it was more of me just enquiring as to why an intermediate eliptical canopy has a MAW of 70kg, just seems significantly lower than any other canopy, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,233 #9 August 22, 2012 You received a good answer in the second post. You received a better answer from Sparky. Perhaps if you'll tell us what answer you want, this will go faster.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #10 August 22, 2012 I load my electra150 at 1.3 it flies just fine. i wasnt aware that the max weight was so low thoDudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe2003 0 #11 August 22, 2012 Thanks Bigun, your answer was the best of all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flow 1 #12 August 22, 2012 I've jumped the PdF Merit 150 (I believe that was the predecessor of Electra) at 1.35 loading and it was a really fun canopy to fly. It was also quite twitchy at that loading, at least compared to similarly loaded Sabre, Sabre2 and Hornet. It reacted easily to harness inputs and had fast turn ratio, but started to lack a little on the bottom end of the flare compared to Sabre2. I know people who have jumped Electras with a higher wingloading so maybe it handles the loading better. Don't you have a chance to test jump it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe2003 0 #13 August 22, 2012 I do, and I have jumped lots of other canopies in that size range, just nothing with a exit weight so low. Think I'm gonna stick to the manufactures recommendations and stay away Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 August 22, 2012 Quote I do, and I have jumped lots of other canopies in that size range, just nothing with a exit weight so low. Think I'm gonna stick to the manufactures recommendations and stay away Best answer of all. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voilsb 1 #15 August 22, 2012 Quote Quote I do, and I have jumped lots of other canopies in that size range, just nothing with a exit weight so low. Think I'm gonna stick to the manufactures recommendations and stay away Best answer of all. Sparky That's no fun! A couple months ago, I got to borrow an Excalibur 150 (label max exit weight 184lb, my exit weight 230lb) and put a jump on it. Yeah, it opened in a stall, but once it inflated it flew great! It just didn't flare past my shoulders. Instead, it violently stalled. But I did have a soft landing under my Raven! That's one side of the overloaded canopy option ... On the other side, PD says that any Sabre2 I jump smaller than a 150 is overloaded, and the 135 and 120 happen to fly quite well at my exit weight.Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe2003 0 #16 August 22, 2012 Why thank you, I thought it up myself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #17 August 22, 2012 Quote(label max exit weight 184lb, my exit weight 230lb) Jumping a canopy almost 50 pounds over max exit weight is not fun it’s stupid. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites