MrHixxx 0 #1 March 31, 2006 Hey Folks, I have a Vigil that I am installing in a G4 and the control unit is about 1/4" long for the window pouch. Anyone else experience this on an assembly? Since the spandex backing doesn't reach around the edge of the unit to hold it deep in the pocket, did you do anything to keep it there (ie tacking)? thanks, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #2 April 1, 2006 The Mirage window is for the Cypres AAD & so the Cypres pocket in the reserve container. Did you checked with Mirage if the Vigil AAD is approved to be used with the Mirage h/c ? Any AAD must be approved by the h/c mfg. before setting it in. The AAD mfg. can not approve his AAD into a h/c without the h/c approval. One more point to consider, the cutter location on all Mirage h/c is on flap #3 if done by SB 12/04 or if it from mfg. This location might effect the Vigil cutter plastic protection sleeve. The Vigil AAD cutter have a plastic cover for the cutter's hole, it goes into the cutter hole and outside on both sides. This plastic might cracked or break when it will be pressed between the #3 flap grommet & the reserve p/c top grommet or even during the work with the packing pin when closing flap #3 & the pin is under the cutter. Broken plastics are a SAFETY issue which might damage the reserve closing loop. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #3 April 2, 2006 That might explain why the G4 manual specifically, and only, references the Cypres. Nowhere does the G4 Manual reference AAD's in general or specifically any other AAD than Cypres. Edit: I'm looking at the Vigil owners manual v2.0.7. The second page lists endorsements from: French Skydiving Federation Relative Workshop Parachutes de France Sunpath Performance Variable I'll add this to my personal list of gripes about Mirage."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #4 April 2, 2006 QuoteThat might explain why the G4 manual specifically, and only, references the Cypres. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chances are that you have an old manual. Vigil has only been on the market for a little while. Re-writing manuals is an expensive and time-consuming process - trust me- I have written several. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #5 April 2, 2006 No. I downloaded, and reviewed, the current manuals availble for Mirage G4 and Vigil the hour before I posted."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenkincb00 0 #6 April 19, 2006 why would they sell something that they do not endourse in their rigs? http://www.miragesys.com/ProductInfo/Canopies.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nbblood 0 #7 April 19, 2006 Also, see the Vigil safety bulletin that is currently sticky at the top of this forum. This applies to Mirage rigs.Blues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigger_john 0 #8 April 20, 2006 QuoteAny AAD must be approved by the h/c mfg. before setting it in. The AAD mfg. can not approve his AAD into a h/c without the h/c approval. Stefan Earler, one of the owners of Paratec and a member of the committe that wrote AS 8015, told me that it was upto the AAD manufacture to approve instalation of it's product into a H/C. As an example he stated the fact that Paratec has never endorsed the use of any AAD ever. I guess his argument is that the AAD is an after market addition over which the H/C manufacture has no control. Therfore it can not be the resposibility of the H/C manufacture. He repeated this in a letter to the BPA when the riggers committee asked if he aproved the use of the vigil in the Next Tandem system. Is TSO testing done with an AAD? Are there any performance standards for an AAD?_________________________________________ Nullius in Verba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenkincb00 0 #9 April 20, 2006 noted and read but this is a service bulletin with directions on what to look for and how to correct not a bulletin saying take your vigil's out and never use them with the above containers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivepete 0 #10 April 20, 2006 Do you mean this SB of yesterday, because that one is not only for mirage rigs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RIGGER 0 #11 April 21, 2006 Quote Is TSO testing done with an AAD? Are there any performance standards for an AAD? The TSO is not done with an AAD PIA TS-120 is the TS for AAD. The h/c mfg. MUST approve the AAD to be set in his system, the AAD mfg. & the h/c Mfg. works as a team for the best setting for each h/c. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Samurai136 0 #5 April 2, 2006 No. I downloaded, and reviewed, the current manuals availble for Mirage G4 and Vigil the hour before I posted."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenkincb00 0 #6 April 19, 2006 why would they sell something that they do not endourse in their rigs? http://www.miragesys.com/ProductInfo/Canopies.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #7 April 19, 2006 Also, see the Vigil safety bulletin that is currently sticky at the top of this forum. This applies to Mirage rigs.Blues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigger_john 0 #8 April 20, 2006 QuoteAny AAD must be approved by the h/c mfg. before setting it in. The AAD mfg. can not approve his AAD into a h/c without the h/c approval. Stefan Earler, one of the owners of Paratec and a member of the committe that wrote AS 8015, told me that it was upto the AAD manufacture to approve instalation of it's product into a H/C. As an example he stated the fact that Paratec has never endorsed the use of any AAD ever. I guess his argument is that the AAD is an after market addition over which the H/C manufacture has no control. Therfore it can not be the resposibility of the H/C manufacture. He repeated this in a letter to the BPA when the riggers committee asked if he aproved the use of the vigil in the Next Tandem system. Is TSO testing done with an AAD? Are there any performance standards for an AAD?_________________________________________ Nullius in Verba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenkincb00 0 #9 April 20, 2006 noted and read but this is a service bulletin with directions on what to look for and how to correct not a bulletin saying take your vigil's out and never use them with the above containers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivepete 0 #10 April 20, 2006 Do you mean this SB of yesterday, because that one is not only for mirage rigs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #11 April 21, 2006 Quote Is TSO testing done with an AAD? Are there any performance standards for an AAD? The TSO is not done with an AAD PIA TS-120 is the TS for AAD. The h/c mfg. MUST approve the AAD to be set in his system, the AAD mfg. & the h/c Mfg. works as a team for the best setting for each h/c. Safe Rigging !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
