Fab 0 #1 November 27, 2005 Hi, Just a quick stupid question Thanks _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #2 November 27, 2005 It will unravel. It shouldn't be done that way anyway, the running end should be fingertrapped back into the line, leaving a loop and knot at the bottom to thread onto the toggle. No loose ends.... -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #3 November 27, 2005 thanks....i will take it to my rigger then. I just followed the pd-manual for attaching the toggle to the line but they didn't mention that _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #4 November 27, 2005 Quotethanks....i will take it to my rigger then. I just followed the pd-manual for attaching the toggle to the line but they didn't mention that I don't have a PD manual handy but I doubt that's really the way they tell you to do it It's supposed to be: upper steering line with fingertrapped loop at the lower end, connects to lower steering line which has fingertrapped loops at both ends, the lowest loop connects your toggle to your steering line. The lower steering line comes out of the toggle at the top (where your loose end is). There are other setups but this is most common. A knot instead of the lowest fingertrap can help determining optimal brake settings but I'd rather redo a few fingertraps myself, don't like the possibility of a knot coming loose. Or NEVER coming loose if I want to change settings ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazydiver 0 #5 November 27, 2005 That actually IS how the PD manual demonstrates the connection to the toggle. Fab simply needs to run the loose end through the other side of the grommet and fingertrap it. The person fingertrapping the loose end should make sure the end is cut on a bias and NOT singed/burnt/cut with a hot knife. As long as the line is fingertrapped, its not a problem with unraveling, but a hot knifed end of the line inside will eat up the line from the inside and should not be done. But definetly take it to a rigger and have them check it out. Cheers, Travis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fab 0 #6 November 27, 2005 Yep....Thank you very much. Thanks for the tip about the 'end not cut with a hot knife/burned' tip. Didn't thought about that one yet. I'll have my rigger fingertrap the excess line (and take a look how he does that ).. I got the PD manual here beside me Saskia ..cya next week in Teuge if the weather will improve a bit (snowing here in holland right now ) . _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #7 November 27, 2005 Quote QuoteThat actually IS how the PD manual demonstrates the connection to the toggle. Actually, PD has two methods in the manual. One for Spectra and the other for Polyester or Dacron. You have 1000 lb Spectra (microline) . It is tied in a "figure 8" fashion that is to be used for the Dacron.(i.e The wrong version) That Toggle can come off the way it is tied now. It needs to be tied the other way. Also do not cut the excess yet! Quote But definetly take it to a rigger and have them check it out. I agree! Blue ones, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #8 November 27, 2005 http://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/MainUsersManual.pdf Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #9 November 27, 2005 Quotehttp://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/MainUsersManual.pdf Thanks for the link! That manual does not have the other method for the Dacron that earlier manuals had illustrated. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazydiver 0 #10 November 28, 2005 Quote*** It is tied in a "figure 8" fashion that is to be used for the Dacron.(i.e The wrong version) That Toggle can come off the way it is tied now. It needs to be tied the other way. Also do not cut the excess yet! *** Its hard to tell from the photo, but I believe its tied correctly in an overhand knot. Either way, his rigger should inspect it. I recently found a couple rigs with the figure eight knots tying microline to the toggles and as I was taught, they could slip right out. Fixed that one quick. Pretty scary. Cheers, Travis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0