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Popular consensus is no reason to follow a specific argument. However, neither is unpopular consensus. We can be highly suspicious of either group.

It is precisely what occurs.

It depends on what kind of math you are talking about. Deductive math is very different from inductive math. The same is true of inductive reasoning versus deductive reasoning. Math (hopefully) is actually an extremely important factor in your field. When you speak, you are actually working through a math problem. When you are asking family members to explain their positions, you are working through a math problem as you find the contradictions between their statements. When you are a judge or an attorney in a court room, you are working through a complex math problem. It just looks different from the kind of "math" that most people are used to, the kind that uses numbers, matrixes, and a radix to define the Universe of Discourse in which those things reside.

Well, we don't really want them to be illegal either. However, when they are illegal, we are willing to give them a wage and the free choice to stay or leave. Thats very different from the experience they will get in 'Ol Alabama. You'll spend most of your time tightening their shackles and searching for them on horseback. This, of course, occurs in between the 16 hour shifts that they were spiking productivity for you.

>Well if you want to take more than 5 oz's of stuff these days you pretty much have to check a bag. I had hookknives I wanted to take so there was no avoiding it. You've exaggerated beyond belief here. >I traveled last weekend and since I had to check a bag and pay for it I brought more stuff that I probably would have if like in the "old days" you got a bag or two with your flight price. Yea... it's pretty damn cheap that the airlines do that. Unfortunately, it is just another one of the ways they are trying to get around their fuel costs. (Which are actually quite low compared to Jet A is for general aviation. The airlines have always paid a fraction for Jet A compared to what GA pays. Think 3 dollars less per gallon (at least) difference. The hard part for the airlines is that fewer people have the funds to buy tickets these days, thus, to keep people buying they keep the prices rediculously low (as compared to what it costs the airline for the flight) and ends up underselling several routes a day because not enough people flew on them to pay for the flight. Underselling is so bad in some places, that the city the airline flies to will often compensate the airline for each time the flight stops there. They pay x number of seats to see an airplane touch down simply to keep the service. When the airline can't use this to their advantage with a physically full flight, they end up finding whatever way they can to screw you. This comes in the form of paying for bags. (theres a funny video online where airlines make you pay for seat belts, access to lavatories and oxygen masks... its pretty funny) >The problem is impression. Since we the consumers feel like the airlines are trying to nickel and dime and screw us over with fees, we try and screw back with carryon suitcase and super large check suitcases. It's a vicious cycle... And they are trying to nickel and dime you. It is quite vicious. edit: Unfortunately, it doesn't keep your bag from getting effed up by busy baggage handlers. I hope I never have to do that shit again.

Also, you are the one who created the thread looking for advice. Keeping yourself from hearing out each of your responders is definitely not in your best interest. However, I did enjoy how you initially tried to find a logical contradiction within my first post. Again, its all up to you big guy.

If it were for a random bar skank I would tell you to never call her again. I didn't say that you would have to change what you were already doing with someone, either. Remember, my responses were geared toward the notion that you had just met someone. Also, talking to someone several times a week goesn't really change what I am saying. I am saying that you need to give someone room to breathe after going out with them. Calling them the night of your date or the morning after is just wierd. Dude, you will know better than anyone after you pass/fail enough. That doesn't seem dumb.

>The capping blow, Carroll says, was an e-mail from a Ms. Irlweg, who denied his claim for compensation because he didn’t complain in the right place, or at the right time. Unfortunately, this is extremely important. Near baggage claims each airline has a person to speak to regarding lost or damaged luggage. If he did not see this person, how does the airline know that they are responsible for the damage? As much as I hate airlines, and never want to fly for one, they have a point here... Also, to address the "Well those damned baggage handler" responses, I'll state why there is more to it than negligence. First of all, baggage handlers are supposed to handle bags with care, and fragile bags with even more care. However, each airline also has a staff full of well-paid expert managers who tell their bag people to be as quick as they possibly can without damaging the bags. Unfortunately, when the operator leaves only a "skeleton crew" to handle more work than they can do carefully, the airline becomes responsible for making sure the employees have enough help to get the bags on the plane. Furthermore, with each airline being prone to bankruptcy and general financial distress, they are not in the best of positions to hire more staff on the ground. I have been a baggage handler before, (for Delta), and I can tell you that it was extremely difficult. Most the crazy people who are flying on airlines these days pack some of the biggest bags I have ever seen. They pack as much as they possibly can into full-sized bags so that they don't have to pay extra money to bring another bag. This is another part of the problem. Just like the war for air fares is part of the problem.

In that time you haven't wondered for very long about what he thought about the date. I'm of the opinion that soaking in a little bit of curiosity (for a few days, not hours) gives you a chance to heighten your interest. This has lead to some great times in the past.

>Whoa!!! You go girl - he is a keeper. Most guys stop paying attention rather quickly. If they got you, they stop because they achieved their "goal". If they didn't get you, they stop because "it's too much work". Well said. Thus, both men and women need to understand what keeps the other partner interested without appearing impossible to "obtain." (Not that a relationship with someone implies possession of that person... although such a pathology does occur) Of course, that assumes that both partners are actually interested in the other to begin with. edit: In no way does that mean that being "easy" is your goal, either. Both sexes respond to a little bit, key LITTLE BIT of challenge.

>There are no rules. People need to do what feels right for them. Everyone is different. Why can't someone go with what feels right at the moment, and if that means calling her the next morning, do it! Well, there are rules, it's just that as a woman you are far better at understanding them than us "neanderthol" men typically are. Why can't they do that? Because for men it ends up breaking all kinds of "normal" or "commonly accepted" rules that women set out for us. The response that men have when they (finally) get to interact with a girl that is actually interested in them and that they are interested in, is that they end up doing things that you don't like. Most women are lightyears ahead guys in terms of social intelligence, thus, men end up having to spend time finding out what you do like, and, for the most part, men can be quite rigid in their belief structures-thus making it that much more difficult for them to understand that you don't like something. That is why you can't just "go with the flow" if you are a guy. You'r mind has to be working overtime when you are around girls. Not just everything flies like when we're around other dudes. >MEN: DO NOT BE THAT GUY. For the love of god, don't be that guy. Open your mind a little bit and think about what does and doesn't piss women off. Don't just "go with the flow," especially if you are guilty of being stalkerish. >When I wrote that a man who likes a woman should flatter her or give her attention, I'm talking about a normal kind of attention. What constitutes a "normal" kind of attention? It takes a lot of social trial and error for guys to find that out. >Do I really have to spell out what is clingy or over-the-top? Nobody likes to be stalked or harassed. Period. Unfortunately, yes. Is this your responsibility to do? No. The guy who does it has to change, not you. It is your job to reject him if he does that, and it is his job to think about what happened and change his behavior. >Then again, if you don't like a person, there is no reason to give that person your personal information, such as email, phone number, etc. Totally. That is a major blunder, and here is a case where women need to change their behavior. Don't be rude, but don't give him methods to continue interacting with him if your not interested. That goes for both sexes.

Actually, no, I didn't. It seemed alot like you were mocking me, so I responded accordingly.

None. You?

C'mon billvon, enough is enough. I need to keep enough laughter-juice for the DZ this afternoon. mothafuckin check dive, yo!

Useless? Even if it were bad advice it would still be useful. If he goes out, tries it a few times, and it doesn't work out for him-he will have even better of an idea of what does not work. Thanks for the put down.

>The game was invented by women and they make all the rules and the rules change without notice...often. There is at least one perfect example of that in this thread (Hi Rosa! Even more reason to think twice about what they are telling you in an online forum.

I leave everything I said to be compared with actual experiences for you guys to have on your own. Therefore, you are more than welcome to test it out and prove me wrong. If you are seeking dating advice then the best thing you can do is go out in the real world and see which one of these philosophies actually works. I don't claim to be any better than others here posting their advice, but I will say that the other advice being offered here is bullshit because I have tried it myself.

I figured the satire wouldn't be all that funny, considering so many conservatives here are saying exactly those things.

Yep. In that time she will have time to think about it, to calm down a little bit (if she really had a great time) and think about the next time your going to call. (If she really liked you) edit: Don't assume that because women tell you to call them immediately after a date or that they want you to call them or text them all the time that they will necessarily respond to you better. A woman who doesn't have attachment issues will wait a few days for you. She's also dating other guys while you aren't "together" yet, just like you ought to be. She should know better than to be so possessive so as to require you to phone her the next day to demonstrate your loyalty to her. I think they are telling you this because it is genuinely how they feel. However, I also think that each of them would respond better if you waited a little bit before calling them (Smearing them) as opposed to calling them immediately after the date or the next morning. Try it yourself, man. Hell, your a 21 year old guy, you probably meet two or three girls a day that youd be interested in seeing again, right? Then it must be no big deal for you to take three of them out, call them as the 3 ladies here reccomend and see how they react. Then try my advice. You can take it or leave it, man. If it works out that their advice works better, then so be it. However, being the one dissenting voice here that is telling you this, you might consider it an option. Enjoy your date man. edit: I JUST saw your sigline. How perfect. "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it lasts forever. - Lance Armstrong" Perfect, you have great reason to use trial and error then.

That's up to you. She said most of them don't know what they are talking about when it comes to dating. I am saying that, and that most PEOPLE don't know what they are talking about when it comes to dating. edit: After all, we have a 50% divorce rate here in the United States, so you have reason to suspect that half of the people who end up having a serious relationship that makes it to marriage still haven't quite figured out the game themselves. With so many people who don't make it to marriage and break up with someone after dating for say a few months, you have to wonder if people are approaching relationships with perceptions that get them into trouble down the road. I am of the opinion that you will find out who is full of shit and who isn't after having enough dates yourself. Take it or leave it.

>Don't take dating advice from a man posting advice to you. Most of them don't know what they are talking about. Amen. >Also, if the girl likes you, don't worry about overdoing it. Getting lots of attention from the right man always feels good. It's equal to a man getting lots of flirting and attention from a woman that he likes. That feels good, right? It just so happens that the one who is the "right man" isn't the one who smothered you on the first few (fifty) dates. Also, getting lots of attention from someone I am really attracted to raises a BIG red flag. Why is this awesome girl suddenly so interested? Does she want something other than an interaction with me? (This has happened to me LOTS. I am a pilot. What beautiful woman who has had men give everything under the sun to her would think that she couldn't get a free ride in an airplane from someone she just met-me?) I'm sure you would think the same way as I do, judging by your looks. "Does this guy want something more from me besides an interaction with me? Hmm. Better make sure he takes it slow." >That said, don't be fake with your declarations of passion or love. Say what you mean and mean what you say. It's ok to be passionate, if that's what you feel. Leading a girl on for no reason is also wrong. Yea, fakeness is a major turnoff for me too. Who is this person that can't even be themselves around me? It is ok to be passionate. Just don't be passionate with someone you just met. Why? Because nutcases are passionate with someone they just met. People in general loathe being smeared, especially when that person is a potential candidate for a relationship. Yep, leading a girl on for no reason is totally wrong. So is leading a guy on for no reason. Slow it down, she hopefully will go slow too, this is cheap insurance to keep yourself from giving your heart to someone who could care less about you in reality. >Still, if you ignore a girl that you like or try to act like it's not a big deal to be with her, she might be totally turned off. If a man were to ignore me, he's lost me completely. There is NO reason to be rude like that to anyone, even to a friend, unless a guy or girl does not like the other person. I whole heartedly agree. Where along the line did we guys think that we had to be dicks (HAH!) to women we just met? I mean, alot of women out there enjoy the company of guys who could care less about them. However, I think it is because they are attracted to the quality of "going slow" that is found in all the "dicks" (HAH!). We can still take it slow without ignoring her. Only girls who are willing to sacrifice their integrity for a dude will respond to rudeness. >In my book, if a man doesn't call first thing the next morning (or even that same evening as he's driving away), it's because he doesn't like the woman that he dated the night before. No man has followed any of those stupid rules with me, and if he did, I wouldn't date him. Wow, I would NEVER call a girl right after the date! Please, NEVER call a guy right after a date, either. Space Space Space! Slow it down! >Get with the program, people. Real men call. So do real women. Good luck! IF your interested and they are interested, they will call after a handfull of days. (And the other person will pick up and be willing to either go on a date or set up for another day if that day won't work.)

Fucking arrogant, wealthy, elitist, welfare-loving, hippie democrats! They should move out of starbucks for once, and get out and see the world as it is. Cold, hard, and primed for individualism. I can't believe I have to work from 9 to 5, every day, when those stupid democrats are trying to give my wealth to all those lazy single moms who are living in their golden palaces without having to work!

Yep.

>The reason I'm more often "Republican" than "Democrat" (when in fact I am a libertarian) is that the Republicans occasionally act against the expansion of government power generally. It's just been a really, really long time since they have done it. I'm with you. If anyone of the republican party is at it's core consistent and not lost, he is a libertarian. Save for a more ruthless analysis of someone like Ayn Rand. (I think she gets lost in her anger and eventually works against herself, but that is another subject) I think Ron Paul is a pretty intelligent person. I am also a fan of Dennis Kucinich. Wait a second... they are both friends....

Common sense isn't always common nor is it always sensible. "Common sense" often gets people into trouble, like when people make perception-driven accusations about liberals and welfare.