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Good words Lloyd. It's just a matter of different attitudes and laws in different regions, USA - Europe. "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

I'm not a tandem rig expert, but I would really like to know why do you say that Advance Tandem rig is not safer compared to Sigma? Look at for example (this is not a tandem rig but still) Advance Seven: http://www.basik.fr/en/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=189&category_id=6&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1 And now look at Vector Micron: http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27 I really think that Advance Seven is a lot more innovative and more advanced than Vector Micron. Can't the same be said for the tandem systems? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Finally, someone who sees things as they are...

Thanks "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Can I get some links please? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Alright. I'll be having a more detailed explanation in a local DZ...

An explanation in a more technical way... How does the premature deployment happen if someone holds onto the drogue? I'm not familiar with tandem rigs and how they actually work. Thanks "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Its not what you're saying. Its your overall attitude, which is piss poor and unwilling to listen to experienced jumpers trying to help educate you. If you're unwilling to listen to high experienced jumpers about something that you don't participate in (tandem jumps), then why would people believe that you will listen about the important things. The important things that will save your life or prevent you from killing our friends? I've only been in the sport for a bit over 8 years, but in that short time I have seen people like you come and go. I have also seen people like you get a cool helicopter ride to the hospital. Unfortunately I have seen people like you kill my friends. I'm willing to learn and listen as long as you give me hard facts and detailed explanations about what might happen or about the events that happened and not only say "I'm more experienced than you, so shut up." without any decent explanation

How many times do I have to repeat myself over and over again? I didn't say I was going to perform this kind or any other kind of stunt with a tandem, I'm just saying it looks quite good when others do it and succeed!!! "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

So why didn't the gear break down in the Polish video? Or are you just saying it's a matter of "luck" and it can happen next time they do it? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

I bet a lot of people who jump in Europe do care what he has to say, he invented atmonauti and does it with tandems... Yeah I'm sure that's the reason, because when I jumped with them they would just fall too fast and I couldn't keep up, besides most of them are FreeFlyers and most likely too bored to jump and teach me... Well anyway, we'll wait some time and see what happens with tandem modern flying

So true. "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

I wonder what Marco Tiezzi would say about this... "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

I guess you both have good points about the filming However, I do think that tandem flying will evolve just like freefly and other disciplines did... "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Ok, I so said this before and I will say it again. Flying to the moon was exiting and the crew almost died on the way back, but look at people now, they are planning on flying to Mars in like 50-60 years... Car racing. It's exiting as it is and people die and yet they still build faster and faster cars. Who the hell told you I was going to do this stunt with tandems? Hell, I'm far enough from doing SF and HD... Don't you get it? People are getting bored, they are looking for new things to do, this is why they do stunts like this or jump with stuff like cars... Some of you may not get bored doing the same thing over, but others do! They want more thrill, that's how everything evolves. That's how skydiving went from round non controllable to square high performance canopies, from simply belly falling to FreeFly, Freestyle, Skysurfing, Wingsuits and BASE jumping... People are curious beings and they risk all the time. Yeah, some die risking, some invent new and exiting things/ideas, which later become very popular and widespread / used. People are not used to / don't want to do new things with tandems now, but it's most likely that in 4-6 years they will be doing even crazier stuff with tandems, because the technology will be better and safer and people will learn new ways of jumping with tandem. When Freefly appeared people said it was stupid and dangerous, but look at FF now. I bet in time, same thing will happen to Modern Tandem Flying. Things don't stay in one place, they move on, change, evolve... Same goes for skydiving, it won't be the same forever, it WILL CHANGE... I don't understand why you don't understand this? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Yes it's cool when it's done by professionals (including the passenger). Same with jumping with stuff like cars, bikes, beds, small canoes etc... "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Me? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Oh god Look at this video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKDAdXc4bU&feature=related It's great footage of showing flight, the student looks absolutely awesome there. It's HELL OF A LOT more interesting to watch the student this way than watch his zoomed in face for 30 seconds and not see anything else. "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Oh great

Which DZ are you at? "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

So totally agreed Squeak! So well said... You will probably say, skydiving is already dangerous, why make it more dangerous? Flying to the moon was dangerous and now people are planning to fly to Mars, WTF?! It's dangerous! But that's how we evolve and get to the next level. So anyway I suggest you all just do simple belly flying if everything else is too dangerous and be safe and happy about it, you won't be making skydiving any more dangerous by doing that! But it's no point arguing with these people on dropzone.com as I have noticed now, they're gonna defend their out of date opinion no matter what "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

Well, for example, these people: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_7sXreQAux4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKDAdXc4bU&feature=related "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

I was particularly referring to this stunt: http://www.skydivingteam.pl/main/filmy.php Not to the things in the website you're talking about. "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

I bet they wouldn't mind doing atmo, if you explained how awesome it is compared to super old stupid boring belly falling. But I guess you need people to start doing atmo themselves first, before doing it with a student, as far as I read and heard atmo is not very popular in USA (I could be wrong though). When freeflying appeared people thought it was dangerous and stupid (I just heard it and read it, these are not my personal words since I haven't been skydiving for that long to know personally) and now look at it, it's one of the most popular disciplines... The point is, stop being so conservative and start accepting new stuff, because it ain't as bad as you think. "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean