BannanaGirl

This is turning into an interesting thread to say the least. I too feel much the same as you do; while I believe in the historical facts that are the foundation of the Christian faith my actions are contrary to that. Reading the bible, going to church - it all seems like such a chore; there is no natural desire to do any of those things. I've come to the conclusion that rather than being "luke-warm" & thus a hypocrite its better to close that chapter of my life completely & just move on as though it never happened. If I'm guilty of hellfire so be it... Quite frankly I like living my life the way I do & can't live by "don't do this, don't say that" etc, etc... Crikey. I wonder if I am "like Warm" then? I dont have a church to go to at the moment. Long story but I just have not found the right place for now but I trust the Lord will guide me where he wants me to be. However I do have fellowship with other Christians like my boyfriend and other friends I have met along the way. Sometimes I really do fail miserably - crash and burn at times, because as you say I maybe am not "of this world" but I am definately "in it". Sometimes I do ok. Even though it can be a chore at times I pray and read my bible as much as possible and study it too so I can have a deeper understanding. But I am a hypocrite....we all are. Only one man was not and he is who I strive to be like. Only through Christ can we come to our Father in heaven. I consider myself, even for all my failings and lack of direction at times, a committed Christian. I love the lord with all my heart no matter what and I dont feel that is luke warm even if outwardly I am not your standard Christian.

It does'nt take too much to set up a face book page and join. Although you can end up wasting huge amounts of time on it if you are not careful! Nice one G on setting up a worthwhile group on there! I've joined! There must be more God botherers out there! Dont be shy in coming forward...your mum was'nt!

Would Sharia law mean people of a muslim origin suddenly being held accountable under a law sytem maybe they have no desire to be under? What would happen to them and how would the UK justice system protect those individuals in such circumstances? Where would the law start and where would it finish....at your ethnic origins? Would it be "tough, you have muslim parents hence you are a muslim and hence under Sharia law?". In this case introducing Sharia law would be like throwing the bird at all these individuals who want to live as british citizens. It seems a very dangerous and cloud cukkoo land idea to me. Maybe I am an intolerant twat though?

No need for either side of the pond to get pissy - they're all good. BTW, Glastonbury is the legendary burial place of King Arthur. So they say..... If you walk down the high street you are likely to meet him, Jesus, Allah, Herne the Hunter, yaddy yah...they are all there.

Ha ha Ace Wayne!!! You passed your FS1 buddy!!! WELL DONE!!! Now you need to join the darkside!!! Squeek xxx

Ha ha that leaves ya out then Mr G!!!! Snort I am sooooo excited here too!!! I feel like I have been banging ribena I am bouncing off the walls so much like a four year old!!!! This is going to be my first AGM!!!! KARNAGE!!!!!!!

I take it this is a series in the US. Sucks. Is there anyway I can view it over here in the UK?

Has also anyone considered the fact that if someone is wrongly convicted and executed that the real perpertrator continues to be free. It does seem seem that the prosceuction becomes so obssesed with chasing the wrong guy and loses the thread of the investigation that how many more victims come from a wrong verdict. Like it has been said earlier what with the advancement of DNA testing and 20-30 year old cases now re-investigated wrongly convicted people have been set free -thankful not having been executed. I get shivers when these people walk free because the real criminal has been out there during the length of that persons sentence most likely commiting further crimes. Again this is another failing in an already inadequate justice system.

You are right my only feelings would be for revenge. This is a highly emotional reaction that is only natural. That is why I am uncomfortable feeling that, how can we administer the correct form of justice in a hightened state of emotions. That is why I find certain parts of the media playing on the victims families to justify the death penalty nauseating and only trying to heightening the publics emotions on the subject. Parading the loved ones around for sympathy - which they deserve ofcourse - kind of goes against the effective retribution we should seek. It can warp our persepctives. All this happening maybe before a conviction has even been passed. As for removing the threat from soceity in a clinically and non emotional way, it is clear this is nigh on impossible to do. Again this man took 27 years to get to his death and when it happened it was a balls up. Nothing effective or clinical about that is there.

In the UK now there are several high profile prisoners that maybe did not do it - there is evidence to suggest so. The recent case of Sion Jenkins (who so called bashed his adoptive daughters skull in with a tent peg) was recently released. The evidence was ambiguous at the best of times, going on his character (lying in a CV, hitting his wife a couple of times - not that that's right), and some DNA evidence that could have pointed to two resonible ways it got there. I found how he was villified in the media and the case against him somewhat medieval. Had we had a death penalty he almost certainly would have swung for his apparent crime. It took them something like 5 years to eventually aquit him. Maybe a success story in proving that the system can be wrong and can be corrected but still 5 years of that mans life, ruined and had he been sentanced to death maybe chopped for it before he was found innocent. A lot can happen in 27 years. I do believe there are people who can be reformed. I am not saying evil sadistic bastards like the guy in Skyrad's link but people who may have killed in a desperate time in a desperate moment. I am not trying to encourage sympathy but to point out that sometimes the solution is not to take another life in a sorry saga. Nobody should take anothers life, it is appalling but if some good could come out of it and the felon is reformed then that is surely a better outcome than just killing them. However I am very much divided what with being a mother and how I would react if someone did something to her. I would probably detact their head for them. It is a double edged sword. Hmmm that is pretty harsh. The reality of beheading someone or shooting them must be beyond all comprehension. I would be very worried if we started wheeling cranes out into the streets and strangling people in the markets place on a wednesday afternoon.

27 years to make sure someone is guilty of a crime they so called are confident they committed so much so they pass a death sentance. It stinks really. If at the time of sentancing there is without ,as you suggest irrefutable evidence of their guilt, then condem them, kill them and be done with it. Why draw out the families anguish? 27 years is just short of how long I have been alive. It just seems incredible it has gone on as long as this. That link you posted is truly shocking, like you though I have no sympathy for that man. But I still find it incredible it took years to execute him too. Yet more money spent on lawsuits, filing appeals, keeping them in jail in a high secure wing. Letting him get fat on taxes.

The thing with capital punishment is what if you get it wrong (I mean murder an innocent). It is all well and good standing there and saying kill the bastard (you know I would probably do the same if it was a loved one of mine if I had no means of doing it myself), but how often do people get murdered who have done nothing except be in the wrong place at the wrong time? I cannot say I am 100% against capital punishment, I don't like the idea of it. but I have not had to be fully faced with the impact of somebody killing someone close to me. I know the anger that comes with grief and I also know these families deserve justice, but at what cost? Like you said people want this form of justice but are rarely able to face up to the gruesome facts of how difficult it is to extirpate these individuals. Apart from being wholey archaic is it really justice when someone sits on death row for 27 years before being executed half arsedly?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6185007.stm?ls Well. Not very nice huh? I find this case rather disturbing more for the fact that this guy had already served 27 years before they cock up sending him off. I was wondering how others felt about this.

Absoluetly 100% spot on. The sad fact is that there even seems to be what are intelligent people have no ability to empathise how a situation can escalate such as it has for these women. It is easy to to say "not me". Quite the cop out really. This thread has got lost in the rather silly and irrelevant war of words over the titles of these women. Fact is they are dead. They were dead before that mother fucker laid a hand on them. I find this very sad.

Shit if I forget my book whilst on the crapper I am reading the back of toothpaste packets to cope with the situation!!!!!