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Assuming you think the country needs to have a conversation along these lines, how would you phrase it? We are all engines of karma

Assuming you think the country needs to have a conversation along these lines, how would you phrase it? We are all engines of karma

Assuming you think the country needs to have a conversation along these lines, how would you phrase it? We are all engines of karma

Assuming you think the country needs to have a conversation along these lines, how would you phrase it? We are all engines of karma

quade - thanks for not banning me. I do have a sincere wish to better phrase this situation. I think it's a conversation our country needs to have. I'm also hoping that now we're towards the end of this thread, other people will share their thoughts on how to actually phrase the conversation, assuming they think it's one we need to have. Yes, my original thread was very provocative. Hey, this is Speakers corner. And, yes, I pushed the limits here. But it's reached a point where police officers are being hunted because of this situation, and I find that absolutely unacceptable. I grew up in the deep south. Both of my parents, and their siblings, cousins, etc., still to this day refer to blacks as n-grs, independent of what's in that person's heart, or their behavior. Even worse, they are fundamentalist Christians, and they still do that. I have very little to do with these people at this point in time. By the time I was in college, I had become absolutely appalled at that behavior. Believe me when I say this is not a word I use casually. It is not. I have seen the worst of racist behavior. I left the deep south in part to get away from that. It is utterly appalling, and it's wrong. Me, my sister, and some other cousins we kept in touch with have moved beyond that. As for which came first, chicken or the egg? The KKK was very real in the area my parents grew up in, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. It was never discussed, but believe me I've met some scary fucking rednecks in my time. The once or twice it came up, my father quickly let me know that he made a very deliberate decision to have nothing to do with the KKK. Now, the other thing about the culture I was raised in was this - every male worked his ass off. And I mean all of them. There was _NO_ _ONE_ that I knew that didn't work hard, no matter what the job was. It was expected. That was par for the course, this is what we do. And you take care of your family. End of story. Really, it was that simple. Most of the males in my family had a high school education. My grandparents, and others in that age group, generally did not. I was the first on either side to go to college. Yes, I know blacks in slavery had their families destroyed for hundreds of years, and I for one cannot imagine the horror of having that happen. And that had to take a toll. Yet, after WWII, black families were doing reasonably well. Moms and Dads stayed together, and at a minimum Dad went to work every day. Please read the Moynihan report. It's from 1965. The issues he identified, mainly the disintegration of the black nuclear family, have only grown worse. The Negro Family So, let me ask you. Having posted the observations that I have in this thread (and there are lots of other people who have made the same observations), assuming you agree this is a conversation that needs to be had, how would you have it? We are all engines of karma

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-19/police-officer-shot-kansas-city This shit has to stop. We are all engines of karma

No, billvon, I am not mocking anything. We are all engines of karma

The solution is straight forward. Take personal responsibility for yourself and your family. Don't waste time on false narratives and specious assertions. In short, liberals will tell you that these folks can't take care of themselves, bottom line. And it's bullshit. And it has to stop. We are all engines of karma

This is a major issue, especially in NYC, IMO, and the leading political figures simply do nothing about it, other than give charter schools as much trouble as they can. It is another shocking observation added to an already large collection of shocking observations. Black and hispanic politicians and parents should be having daily protests in front of their schools to do something about this. We are all engines of karma

I did my best, man, and you shut it down. So be it. May you never have to look a friend in the eye and say "Be careful out there", and then fully realize they could die at the hands of a group that the Obama administration says has "legitimate concerns". It's a surreal experience dude. And it's wrong. And it has to stop now. We are all engines of karma

Fine. Understood. And this shit will continue unabated, IMO. Yes, he did. I read the local papers every day, and that's been the net effect. FYI. We are all engines of karma

There are people that use it as a term of endearment, and they praise the incumbent behaviours that come with that. If you're not seeing that, you're not paying attention. The "cottage school" in my town doesn't have 300 white kids, nor 300 hispanic kids, nor 300 asian kids. It's 300 black kids that NYC family judges have ruled to be incorrigible. What's wrong with that picture? This must stop. Now. And it's not going to stop with the conversation promoted by Obama's administration. Obama's administration has dictated that schools with black kids can no longer be suspended for violent behaviour. What's the result of that? Violence has gone through the roof. This must stop, now. And the only way it's going to stop is to have a blunt conversation. A friend of mine is NYPD. He's being called into additional time to deal with BLM marches. Here I am telling him to be safe out there. Have you ever looked into someone's eyes when you say that, and realize that Christ he may not be around the next day? Due to Obama saying these folks have legitimate complaints? It's fucking insane. It has to stop. We are all engines of karma

No, I disagree. Fundamentally it's going to take each and every person to accept responsibility for their actions. We are all engines of karma

It's the conversation this country needs to have, and it needs to have it now, IMO. Hey, it's not my word, it's how some blacks refer to themselves. We are all engines of karma

But it is that verbiage, and associated behaviour that needs to be addressed. Yes, this is a flash point issue. There are blacks out there that are advocating killing cops, for Christ's sake. And they are killing cops, while the president is saying they have legitimate concerns. It's insane. Don't think for a moment that I use the n-gr word casually. I don't. But this shit is getting completely out of control. I grew up in Baton Rouge, and those cops were killed one mile from where I grew up. Having to call up and check on friends who are BRPD was simply too fucking much. We are all engines of karma

And that in itself is part of the issue, IMO. We are all engines of karma

Yes, it's a difficult question to address. The direction the country is heading right now is the _wrong_ direction. We are all engines of karma

Yes, it's an incendiary thread. But it's also a blunt question that really needs to be addressed by all parties. This shit has to stop, on both sides. We are all engines of karma

Yes, GeorgiaDon, I can appreciate how inflammatory the title is for some people. Why did I choose those words? Last week, I'm coming out of the city, and there were 3 black teenagers walking up and down the aisle with their pants below their butt talking about n-gr this and n-gr that, as casually as they breathed. WTF? There's a "school" in my town that houses ~300 incorrigible black juvenile delinquents from the city. For those they let out of the facility, their conversations are n-gr this and n-gr that (heard at my town's train station). And, it's clearly a source of pride with them. None of these kids have ever seen a responsible adult in their life. Literally, they are basically animals. No self discipline, no regards for others. Our local cops respond to an average of 3 calls per day at this facility. And we're not talking about simple infractions. Gang rape, riots, attacks on teachers are the norm. Now, we have a president using words that has ended up encouraging blacks to kill cops, claiming their "grievances" are justified. This is the "white mans" fault? Bullshit. Its time for that culture (and I use that word loosely) to step up and take care of themselves and their families in a civilized society. Giving them more money, or pandering to their sense of victimization must stop. Now. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I served in a Grand Jury here a few years back (30 days of listening to cases from prosecutors that needed our assent to pursue the cases). During that 30 day period, there were lots of DWIs, homicides were all Hispanic illegal aliens, rapes were all Hispanic illegal aliens, and drug offenses were all young black men. Simple statements of fact. One of the young black men actually came in front of us to address the charge of having 1 gram of crack that he tried to sell. This guy was in community college, clearly trying to improve his lot in life. He messed up. Yet, he was charged with a felony. I can still feel the shock of hearing that. The prosecutors ruined his life for a f'ing gram. It was the wrong thing to do. I have no idea if the prosecutor plead it down. I can only hope they did. This guy was trying to make something of his life. If you agree this is a conversation that needs to be had, how would phrase it? We are all engines of karma

The essence of being American is taking responsibility for your life, IMO. If you're not doing that, then you are missing out on the fruits of being American. It is time for a blunt conversation that everyone can participate in. Otherwise, when will this bullshit end? And by bullshit I mean anyone and everyone who fails to see that personal responsibility is the foundation for a civilized society. We are all engines of karma

In proportion to the population, or proportion to those committing crimes? There are many really sad parts that are being missed in the conversation our country really needs to have, one of which is black-on-black crime. Blacks commit a large portion of crimes, way beyond their proportion to the population, and that's why cops stop blacks disproportionately. That must be acknowledged in any meaningful conversation to be had about this topic. The Washington Post (a very liberal newspaper) did a study and found ~500 people have been killed by cops this year. Of that number, ~125 were black. White people have been killed double that number. Liberals keep spouting false narratives (e.g., Black Lives Matter's Hands Up). That _HAS_ to stop if any meaningful conversation is going to be had now. And our country _REALLY_ needs to have a meaningful conversation. Safe spaces and micro aggressions are b-llsh-t. We are all engines of karma

You are a waste of time. No need for any further comments on my part. We are all engines of karma

If that's all you have to offer the conversation, so be it. We are all engines of karma

First, let me say I'm surprised I can still login to this site right now. And you are completely wrong about me being a racist. That's a typical left wing knee-jerk reaction to any hard issues that need to be discussed in this country today. You are proof positive that the real discussion that needs to be had won't happen. We are all engines of karma

normiss, I disagree. This is a conversation the country needs to have, now. We are all engines of karma