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BikerBabe: ...
Arlo: ...
Ron: ...

The whole lot of you need to drop the self-righteous preaching. You're gonna need BASE canopies to survive the fall from your high horses.

Support your skydiving friends no matter what they decide to do with THEIR money and THEIR freetime. That includes some guy with a sense of humor and irony who likes to talk trash. Keep it up, dude, your team rocks. Not all of us are like these whiney brats.

Damn, I'm pissed
How come I wasn't included in this list?? I want to be a part of the group, PLEASE! Do I need to do more self-righteous preaching or have I been excluded because I already own a BASE rig and won't get hurt when I fall off my high horse?

Don't worry, I DO support my skydiving friends no matter what they decide to do with their money. But people that gloat and have EGO'S the size of Texas are not my friends and I feel no compulsion to support them. I think you might need to re-evaluate what you consider a sense of humor. If you think that by putting others down and making sure people know you are superior (well, this might be a point of contention here) than them is funny and deserves a laugh, then you are a truly sad individual who needs help.
Jason 570

"The EGO is the single most destructive element in society today"

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..... anyone that's ever claimed to be my friend or that has come to my defense ... has been paid by me. more hired guns.

arlo

I believe that Arlo is the greatest person that ever lived... she does no wrong. In fact, if she started her own cult I would be the first to join... as long as the money is right!
Can I get that free tunnel time now????
Jason

"Warchalking"

Interesting system. But I don't think it will work for the average traveling BASE jumper because there are no two sites that are alike. It would be hard to say" OK for all antennas go look for the coded symblols near the back left corner of the attached building or fence"... some towers don't have buildings or fences.
But it might be a usable system for an area that has a lot of jumpers and few sites or on fairly well known sites. Each time a successfull jump has been made the person leaving posts any changes or new cautions to be aware of.
But then again, you never want to leave ANY trace of activity at most sites, so marking anything is still a pretty bad idea
Jason 570

Hi Andy,
I would highly recommend getting a coach and learning the right way to fly instead of going up with someone who is equally inexperienced as you. Bad habits are formed early and most people never get the proper coaching/training to correct them after they are ingrained in their flying style.
Certain things are crucial to making a good flyer....
-Being able to fall straight down and sit perfectly still(most people think they can but I would venture to guess that 85% of skydivers can't mantain this)
-Being able to make small moves (big moves are easy)
-Being able to make any move and STOP exactly where you want to and fall straight down. (I bet 95% of jumpers can't do this)
-Being able to maintain your heading control throughout the jump, from exit to opening.
-Level control is also hugely important.
-Being relaxed

these are only a few of the basics that need to be mastered if you want to be a good flyer. You can practice all of these things with anyone but if they don't have a complete grasp on the these things then how will either of you know if you are doing it right?? that is where a good coach comes into play. It may seem like a waste of money or too expensive but in the long run it will pay off. I promise
jason 570

the tunnel is an excellant training tool also.

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First weekend at home for training, oh yea the van was there too. 47 jumps rained out last part of sunday the 8th of june, I believe they will have a better average the the Beez. But only time will tell. Team tng jumps to date scence Feb, 141 jumps. hope to see all at Nationals. LATER

Your a real piece of work Kip
Hey everybody look at Kip and his team, make sure you note who they are 'cause they expect to be recognized. Look at me! look at me!

I would hope that you get a better average than us (Beez) since you are competing in a 'lower class' with a different dive pool and you'll get way more jumps in one year than we got over the 2 years that we were training. I think last year we made all of maybe 200 jumps with the line-up that went to Nationals. And you know what Kip, we paid for EVERYTHING ourselves. That, in itself will give us way more satisfaction in our accomplishments and respect from our peers than if it were handed to us on a silver platter.
Keep talking shit, your gaining more and more fans everyday.
Jason 570

Try going to the larger DZ's within a few hours like Cross Keys or the Ranch they are close to Eastern PA and they have BASE jumpers. Go up there for a weekend and ask around.
Get used to traveling a lot in BASE because for the most part the really sweet sites as well as most jumpers are usually hours and hours away.
570

Too bad you didn't make that jump, it sounds absolutly awesome. I'll be booking a plane ticket very soon to jump it with you
Keep in touch
Jason

Where is the choice for I do both the same amount???
I vote for that.
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One guy called Jussi Laine made a skydive with a bike. He also deployed and landed with it. (made the flair sitting in the saddle)

I know this wasent BASE but it was a cool stunt anyways.

I met Jussi when I made the journey to Norway in 1999. He was experimenting with all sorts of camera set ups while he was there. Very cool angles!! Just like the one in the pic. Hey is that Mikel(sp?) from Sweden with him in the pic??
Landing with a bike sounds pretty hairy to me... glad it work out for him
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No problem, you guys can compare notes on 'indoor' BASE!!!!!!
700

From what I've heard, he's got me beat
Freefall is better than a SL anyday of the year!!!!
570

yes it is a great site Hey if you make it, try to get a copy of Gabes video. I would love to see the kick ass shit he's been flicking.
See ya later,
Jason

Anyone have any suggestions about jumping with the aid of a bicycle, motorcycle, scooter etc. Should you keep it (no) or chuck it(yes)?What would be a good altitude to try it from? I think a bicycle would fall slower and thus create a hazzard by possibly coming down through your canopy after you open. How can you minimize the chance of this happening, besides not doing it. I know it's been done before and I even remember JB jumping with a scooter and keeping it . What are some pros, cons and possible problems? Just trying to get some outside opinions...thanks
570

It can most definetly be done, it will just take a little practice! Also, if you want to do it right you need to put some reigns on the Birdman and the rider needs a riding crop you know... to keep the Birdmans body position correct
How about this for a good pic.... Have 2 BM next to each other with a person standing on BOTH of them(one foot on each) with of course the reigns in one hand and the crop in the other. All of them riding off into the sunset.
CYA, Jason

Hi Andy,
my thinking on the subject is this...
180's with a little time use toggles to turn. You lose less altitude and can possibly make it to a better landing area.
180's with not much time use one rear riser (or two). You lose more altitude and could possibly stall it but your first priority is not hitting the object, then land in your alternate landing area/s.
Only you will be able to tell how much time and space you have to clear and turn away from an object when that time comes. A lot of factors come into play as you are turning and after you have turned so make sure all the scenarios are played out in your head. How much altiude can you eat up and still make a "good" landing area???Winds(thermals, rotors,etc), LZ's, ground obsticles(power lines, buildings, trees, rocks, etc.) Oh and there is a way to "pivot" a canopy in place more or less. It eats up at lot of altitude and is very difficult to do correctly and finish exactly 180. It consists of both rear risers, then both risers on one side (there is more to it than this). You have to let up at the correct moment or you could be continuing around to meet the object again except maybe a little harder than you would have before. It's hard to simulate in skydiving because of the opening speeds and pressurization charicteristics but give it a try. I'm assuming your meaning slider down jumps right, cause most slider up jumps you should be far enough away from the object not to hit it
I've not hit an object yet so my thoughts might be wrong with this but I would suggest NOT sticking any limbs out in front of you. You may think they can help to brace you for impact but I think they they will just break. I would try to turn my body so I hit with my side and make sure nothing is sticking out to "snap". Also, the canopy will keep flying towards the object over and over again unless you turn it so don't "give up" after the first strike. This is where I think Valved type canopies will really help by not slammimng you repeatedly into the object trying to inflate and pressurize.
Just a couple of quick thoughts before I go out and make a jump
Jason

Also it depends on how it is configured... Slider-up or slider-down. My thoughts are that slider-up deployments are tougher on the lines and slider-downs are harder on the canopy. I'm trying to jump equal amounts on my 2 rigs. One canopy has around 300jumps and the other has around 200. Not sure exactly how many are up or down right now but if your interested I can look it up.
Peace, Jason

Maybe try to take it out at more of a 45degree angle, that way the people that are furthest away fron the door are actually closer. Also, those guys need to think more down (through the floor)on the exit, and the guys that are nearest the door need to exit "out" not "down".
Or of course you could have the two way piece exit across the LOF too.
I do think that the way you explained it has a higher probability for a bad exit for the simple fact that the distances needed to travel to get out of the plane are greater.
Just a thought
JASON

ps- here is a pic. of the 45degree angle out of a CASA

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....Both are good friends of mine.

I just know of some people that think that the Bees were robbed....
Ron

OK Ron, well I guess we aren't too good of friends since you keep spelling the name wrong
It's Beez not Bees.
Thanks for your support I personally don't believe we were robbed, but I think that the rules should be changed to let the teams keep jumping until the tie is broken. If you go back and look at the "deciding" round 9, we were actually in the lead but lost because we had a bad round. Nemesis had their bad round earlier so they won. I don't get it We won 4 rounds, they won 4 rounds, and we tied on the other 3. I like the fight till the death scenario Jason

Ahhh, only 5 more to go huh?? I see what your saying or maybe I see something different
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heheh....my first stowed was also my first slider up, went from 1000', took maybe 1.5 secondsdepolyed while kicking and wildly twisting on my head...

I thought that was everytime you jumped!
Sorry, you left yourself wide open.

570
PS- where were you this weekend??

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Whats the deal with the Bees anyway?
Are you guys back?

Ron

No, not really. We threw something together at the last minute for the 1st CaSL meet last month. Mostly the old Bee line-up (IC-Todd, OC-Matt. Point-Me, Tail-Andy H., and Kelly as video. We all had prior commitments to work around; Matt is managing CSS, Todd is coaching FoxForce4, I am coaching CSS What?, Jan is coaching Carolina Ice from Chester, SC. and Andy has the GK 8way stuff.

We just thought we'd do the meet, no practice jumps, just to have a little fun and to test our skills. I don't think you could have smacked the smiles off our faces after the jumps (even after a really poor 6th round).
We wanted to have fun and enjoy ourselves and we did just that! It's what skydiving is all about Jason
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I would have to agree that random is the now very infamous STARFLAKE. Of course, another team, with two members of the infamous starflake built the nearly as infamous "Marundy" or "Bunquis" whichever you prefer. Given that it occurred in a practice round, it simply can't be given a position in the dive pool.

The STARFLAKE will live forever.

Ah yes, and of course who could forget the elusive "armpolion" formation which is rarely caught on film. The "bunquis" sounds familiar, could you elaborate?
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This is true but with money and proper motivition, anything can be accomplished.
Only time will tell. LOL

Kip,
maybe your right with this statement if you are referring to only ONE person in a one person sport. When you start putting 2 or more people together (especially skydivers)things become increasingly more difficult. Money and motivation does NOT make a "team"in the true sense of the word. Nor does matching gear. A successful team is defined by it's actions, not it's words.Those actions being winning medals or just being a positive influence on others in the sport. Those are the truly successful teams.
I think your statements here will earn you more non-fans than the fans you seek. Your almost gloating and thumbing your nose at the less fortunate jumpers/teams out there, almost saying... "ha, ha look at me, I have more than you do, and I'm going to make damn sure you know it!!". To me those type of people are really sad; always searching for acceptance and recognition, but somehow always alienating themselves by pushing people to "like" them or "recognize" them. Lose the ego and start to focus in the task at hand, otherwise you/your team just might end up looking like asses at the end of the year when they have no fans and no medals.
Just a thought


"The EGO is the single most destructive force in society today"

Pothead, most definatly.
BASE #420, if I'm not mistaken, would not do something like this. I'm not even sure if he still jumps. Last I heard he was in his 70's.
If it was him, he sure does jump a lot of sites . I've seen his mark on some really low dodgy shit. Outhouses, busses, overpasses, etc. He really rocks if it's true!!
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i have to disagree. Some of the best skydivers i know had very little money to train (that's where actual "talent" comes into play). Some of the more self-promoted teams that have visible financial backing still can't pay to be good skydivers and they still suck.

But I guess there is something to be said about matching gear...

arlo

Thanks Arlo I didn't know you cared so much!!! Ha, Ha. Maybe someday I'll be on a team with all matching shit. We came close a couple of times over the last 5 or 6 years but we just couldn'r get or act together. A different rig here and different jumpsuits there were commonplace, I guess if we had matching gear we would have won that whole US Nationals thing . That's how things are decided..... RIGHT???
Maybe, just maybe someday I'll be a cool kid

Jason

Hope to see you in Early June... I'll be at the tunnel doing a little coaching. Oh... and I WILL be matching. Matching what, I'm not sure.

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Ramdom "I" is the starflake....introduced by a chicago team at the usnats in Parris

Big Eyes & Grins

The "Starflake" being flown over Perris Vally US Nationals in 2000. I still don't understand why the judges didn't see the pure genius of this formation. Sorry BB had to do it!!!!

So who the hell was coaching you???