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I know you can pro--pack RON please take no offence but that AARP - 190 you jump has to much arthritis to pro-pack. Every time Ron packs before he closes his rig he, pours a half a bottle of ensure in the containor, puts two centrum Silver tabs in the hacky handle and then raps a depends around the pilot chute. I have a theological question I dont know much about the Christian Religion but I heard of the rapture If the rapture happens when Ron is in the air will his parachute still land on the pea pit??

ssg brown black guy 3/73rd armour?????tall not a jumpmaster?????

original poster. I have tryed to share my experince with you. I am a triathlon expert lander, ha ha but its not hard to be. i only know about tri's if you down size to somethng else i dont know about that. My advice and experinces have been sliced up all over, with good arguments and some very very petty and some other from people trying to just be agravating. my advice the guy who cut my post and try to so called prove you shouldnt take my advice, listen read the post he is right about manythings but he is one of these guys that ag=rgues with everyone and thinks his way is the only way. plus he complicates the triathlons beyond reality. then he thinks new jumpers dont try hook turns and stupid things and that every instructor is good and the expereinced guys none of them are hypocrites. thats not true. the triathlon is very easy and forgiving, but read his post he is smart and knows way more then i about the subject of canopy porgression then i ever could. and even though he argue with a rock about an ant hill he meens well and has great advice and arguments. try to see through his petty argueing and get to the meat of hispost and the technical aspect of what he is saying. again he is a pro i am not i have 250 landings on a tri but thats not bragging thats just the truth!!

i am a cave diver and have been diving 16 years. I have over 250 jumps on triathlons, nothing to bragg about but i could coach anyone on landing one, dont youthink i am qualified to talk triathlons??? how many tri jumps do you have??? i was telling him in the next 20 jumps or so get the a licsence but that would be a logical progression, now waiting buying a 190 and doing a 100 jumps on it doesnt seem best. at my dz when the winds kick up a 160# guy wont get much penatration on a 190. i understand your point though. but whats the balence you need penatration power and you need the speed also for the flare but you need the lift and the ability to stay up longer and hold for long spots. thats why i jumped all sizes and decided on the 175 tri. Plus i do not swoop. i am a scubadiver, you dont do a cave dive on recreational scuba gear, you do it on cave tech gear, my opinion is you dont swoop tris they are not made for that and ts very unsafe. Issue #282: January 2005: 12/20/04 of skydiving explains the swooping and where i get my points. i watch the skyquest, the lake wales swoop competition and the z hills one and have many friends who swoop, i know a bit about it but i dont swoop. how many times do i see a guy with like 40 jumps say " hey did you see me, i did a 90 and almost swooped ill do it lower next time" i am like listen that canopy isnt made to do that safely, i say read that article in skydiving. they think they are ok on a big canopy and no harm, but if they do it too low they have no recover with that 7 cell and the loading. so i dont want these new dudes even trying to swoop!!!!!!! I know enough about swooping to tell them hell no!!!!!! Cliff from aerodyne is where i am getting the penatration arguments. also arent the tris bigger then they are by way of measurments or am i wrong about that? yes holding and running i know you all that, dont think i know that at 280 jumps and 120 in the military??? i fly cam also and when the tandem pulls thats when i track and open so my credibilty is how i alsways make it back to the dz time and time again, got it on cam, but its a credit to the 175. its not a hard canopy to master very user friendly very forgiving. the aff program is fine and address those simple canopy rulses and princibles its not really that hard and things it is not hard to land the tri it doesnt take 100 jumps to perfect it Yeah your way right about the 9 cells and their glide( i have very few jumps on 9 cells ) but i cant tell the guy about a safire or any other 9 cell, see i only know tri's see i am responcible. i can land on the peas 8 of 10 times and if i miss its only by a few feet again its not just my skill its an easy canopy, anyone can do it. we have 50 jumper's landing on the pease with the tri. I wonder if i would have went to a 9 cell had i had more experience with them i am sure they are better then my tri. but tri's ae all i know and it works great for me. by all means if there is something better and safer out there someone tell this guy. i lnad the small tris ok no injuries so that establishes my ability i just dont like the quick ride i cant relax up there and i just dont like the speed its my choice. but i nailed the landing on it. i just dont like it, not everyone wants to down size and fly super fast, i am not that brave any way. and i have no desire to swoop. also on my openings i dont care about what it plays i am sharing my experience. and i have jumped 3 different 160 and rolled the tail tucked the nose everything they open fine but my 175 opens the best for me. again i am sharing my experience i am not talking facts, i am sure there are better canopys but again i can only share about my tri. i also found out when i packed this guys 190 so he could make a load that not everyone likes a snival. he likes his openings fast. so thats funny but true, me i love the snival. the tri is soooooooooooooooo easy to pack small and i know folks who jam it in the bag and it opens again very!!!!!! forgiving canopy to fly and pack!!!! again yes you have more experince then me and know more but i film aff students and our dz has tris and the new jumpers rent the many tris we have and i see it timee and time again very easy canopy to land, plus you know more then me but i jump the tri for 250 jumps, you dont have that many on a tri you probubly jump a very advanced canopy, so i can only speek for tris my real world jumping them and our dz jumps rental and student tri's exclusively. i have many tapes of landings ( booring huh ) good point about the downsizing true. but tri progression is not that hard and not drastic. if someon leaes a 175 tri for a 160 something else that could be dangerous. Now tell me when did you down size and what did you fly from start to now whats your progressin be honest. did you jump the same size at 20 jumps that you did at 50??? i think your a highly skilled canopy pilot who progressed very quickly an started swooping early and you an awesome canopy flyer. me i stayed on the tris with training wheels till now. so triathlon canopy progressiion downsizing is not complicated and there is little difference between 175 and 1690- at his weight. our dz whould have put him on a 190 for aff. you may not like that but havent seen anyone hurt in over two years. ok again you keep line by line cutting up my advice gets a bit agravating!!!! ( the hey it turns faster and is more responcive )is a warning!!!!!!!! not an advocacy. come on man do you complain about your wifes cooking like that. i meen your mostly right but your cutting hairs with some of your points. i have jumped from 30,000 ft to 500 and was a static line jumpmaster so i would say i know safety and wouldnt tell someone something to get themse selves hurt. Ok here is where i totally disagree with you i have seen soooooooooooo many low jump flyers try to low turn we are always chewing someone out for that. they do it all the time!!!!!! at 3 dz's i jump!!!!!! they will do stupid things out of ingnorence!!!!!!!!! a half breaked turn is very important to practice flat turns are very safe and s turns also needed to fly the tri properly and i was tought them in aff!!! OH YEAH HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SAID TO SOMEONE NEW LANDING " FLARE ALLTHE WAY!!!!! HOLD IT " they dont flare all the way they dont realize that its so important to do that with anysize tri. ok see you post just to argue and play the i am right game, now i know you dont pull that with your wife but trying to line by line cut my post up for this poor is just stupid if you have better advice or you know of a better canopy then tell him that. dont try to debunk every line of my post my GOD man. i land perfect my experince is on tris thats it!!! and it works for me. the only diffeence in you canopy pilotng and mine is you will be on the ground way before me and wowing the crowd, me ill land on the peas quitely annd softly and take my helmet off and film the tandem landing or something like that. i dont have the skill level to do what you do but it doesnt take much skill level to fly a tri like i do. i think you forgot that on the way, its not that complicated!! if you advocate a slower canopy progression fine, just dont think that buy cutting up my postgives you any weight, i am landing just fine and its easy. i am not saying hey go fly the wingsuit with out a parachute or something. i think your info and advice is excelant, but i am just sharring my limmted knowledge but extensive experience on tri's. also about swooping once again ill say i dont swoop i do understand it, i am sorrounded by it daily!!!!!!! and i see young jumpers attempt stupid things daily. i know enough about swopping to tell someone not to do it and its not safe, it takes years of jumps, training and the proper canopys. i have a book on swooping and i understand arcs recovery ect... but the more i read and understand the more respect i have for those who do it. its not for me its fun to watch!!! again simple dont hook turn whats wrong with that advice???? hey yu love to argue let me ask you this< what about the dec skydiving magazine article about swooping? i read it is it accurate???

wow were you there??? i was huh ha ha kidding walked off???? whats a double malfuntion? both canopys out?? do you think they provided enough lift to save him ?? or did he land on a bible.?? man GOD saved him amazing was it sicily??? and not on the FLS thats hard. was it holland the sandbox?? you know that guy will die in the bathtub or something huh. i think i would have kept jumping chances of that hapneing again would be slim well you won that one that is unreal

my knees are ok for some reason. i did military freefall halo jumps so i got it easy i did a bunch of those. i never was injured, i know one guy who had a cigerette roll and total malfunction from 800 ft burned in. i was one of the spec op medics on the scene. he never lost concsiousness and only broke his pelvis, well not only but nothing else and he jumped 5-6 months later. how about that???

two things justin your the idiot should get baned read the rules keep your damn mouth shut and keep your comments to your self, no one asked for your crap anyway. Your the idiot who started with the bullshit. i am trying help the guy out with a my experience with the tri. its your imaturity your started in being an asshole i am tired of being nice. now you 29 jump fool shut your mouth unless you have something to say constructive. your the idiot saying watch it ike your a bad some bad ass. again no one asked you for anything either answer the guys question or dont respond. and now your talking to me like i would get band. you dont know a damn thing at all so i suggest you stop being a stupid imature troll you get off on starting shit. and Kris its not me its that idiot did you not read the post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am trying to answer that guys question come one get a grip this fool writes these post as he does he is a troll and maybe 14 years old for all i know. I am not new!!!!! i also have 120 jumps in the military military free fall Ranger and almost 300 jumps out in the civilian world and been jumping longer then you over 10 years. so i am not new you have more experince then me but in no way should i be compared with that jerk so why dont you tell this idiot trouble maker where to go he seems to listen to you. now kris read the post one more time and dont lump me in with this fool. ALSO i have 250 jumps on triathlons i think i know what the hell i am talking about from my experience. i only address my experince. i dont pretend and dont comment on what i dont know. and please dont say just becuase somene isnt an instructor they cant answer questions or give advice or share their experience. becuase you do it all the time and i dont say a damn thing to you!! what i cant stand is someone jjust being a troll to be an ass for no reason but to start crap. he is talking personal attacks he is the one starting that. now people should try to answer the poor guys question and share what we know the best we know. you think some 29 jump asshole as somehow on my level? i will not post anymore on this subject and i hope that justin guy jumps at zhills this weekend

oh i get it the round chute ha ha i lost many skin cells landing on with the rounds but i have a bunch of square jumps also i hate rounds i hope i never have to jump a round again

http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1550626;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread read councilmens answer on the 9 cell 7 cell now thats answer!!!!! great post. Hey justin troll read it quick even you can learn something from it

councilman24 I am 192 on a 175tri with new lines and about 250 jumps it flys great whats my forward spped????

Ok if your not qualified to give advice fine speak for your self. i will give only advice of my experience and what I have jumped. i own a 175 tri wings cont a hwakey cam helmet and a sony hc40 flying a .5 lens. i have almost 300 jumps and rounds in the military and squares also ( freefall ) 120 total military jumps i also have 3 housr of tunnel time. so anything that falls under my experince i can comment on. i cant speak for 9 cells canopy. so my question is why are you comenting at all? And no i will not watch anything either. I am to old and big for that. the only thing i am watching is you make a fool out yourself as a troll. now maybe you should do more reading and if a thread happens to have some relavence for you to comment by all means . not everyone can switch dz's either sometimes thats the only place in the state. my landings are perfect by the way and have been for a long time and i land on a very small dz so again i can talk canopy specifically i can talk triathalons. landing them, packing them, flying them, landing on the beach with them and once having line dump with one of them. so i have over 250 hunderd triathalon jumps, again you need to just deal with it with 29 jumps you have many decisions to make and alot to learn and you will be deciding a canopy in the next 30 jumps or so. with a rig and downsizing and all that. so again only comment when your going to help someone out, and only comment when you have something to add or something thats relavent. playing little troll games wont get you answers when its your turn to ask questions. dont worry you will be landing better in about 20 jumps then you will say wow that is so easy why was it hard. again i dont think you can act like an ass here unless you have at least 500 jumps. your 471 jumps ahead of your self

wow now thats an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am a 7 cellchump and i land very soft. i have jumped some small 7 cells too. i have flown a few 9 cells and only a couple of times. i landed them ok. if i didnt do aff on a 7 cell and 99 % of my jumps on a 7 cell i might say the 9 cell seemed easier to land. I dont know much about 9 cells i am not sure how to pack one either do a search her for the 9 cell vs 7 cell there are some great threads on it. the 9 cell seem to glide more and the 7 seemed to be trimed down a bit. our dz has 5 7 cell tandems and 1 9 cell tandem and that 9 cell thing keeps going and going. also no one swooops 7 cells they do that stuff with the 9 cell high speed canopys. 7 cells recover to quick. i let a buddy of mine jump my tri and ill be darned if he didnt do a 180 and swoop it in but it ran out of gas for him it was funny. i would never try it. he is an awesome swooper and has competed but do a search 9cell vs 7 cell and happy reading and happy landings

hey aber_os did you start aff with 9 cells?? and have you mostly flown 9 cells??? i have all mine but a hand ful on 7 cells i wonder if a 9 cell is better for a student our dz has two new student rigs with slippery 9 cells the student aerodyne and did you keep the same rig for your whole aff or did you have to get what ever rig was available??? a different rig each time i jumped the same rig for 35 jumps 220 tri. they had to take it away from me my security blanket before i flew the 190. funny how it works out diiferently for others

hey justin dont be a smart ass ok 107 stileto you dumb ass and stop mascurading as a 20 jumper and i want to see you hit the peas and see how you land how about answering the poor guys question instead of grading my grammer and twisting what i am saying. your the troll and you stink. all that effort just to play with my wording instead of helping the guy out. people like you want to be asses and hide behind sarcasm instead of giving personal advice. yeah when i get advice on here its great but when i get shit from some smart ass its not great so i didnt make any hypicritical statemnet yes i have seen guys say no camera on your head till this number jumps ect.. the old do as i say not as i do. i suspect your one of those guys. rather hand out lip service then advice. i landed my tri in a back front yard between two trees and ran out into some dirt. everyone esle followed my lead in and landed. Now it took skill for me to do that but also I choose to jump the 175 tri. for that reason. and yes i didnt spot that load but i should always look. Sorry maestropaolo this is what i mean some guys will tell you what they think and some will give you crap. Now others are saying ask your people ( instructors ect.. )at the dz, but that doesnt work all the time. some dz's abbandon the student right out of aff and some of the clciky jumpers dont even talk to you. now that hasnt happend with me but i read and here of plenty of it. i have seen the last 7-8 students i flimed aff start with 220 or 190, tri. they land ok but the lighter guys in your weight class as soon as they land a 160 or 175 they land it better. so i asked some time ago i said why? that guy has 25 jumps he was landing terrible under the 220 and hes nailing the 175. i got the explaination and it seems to be true. one important thing, the tri spectre c7 cells are very docile, the same size like 160 in a diablo or something else is really different. i jumped the 188 pilot and boy is that touchy for a 188, plus its a 9 cell i flaired it differently then my 7 cell. the sabre-2 was i nice canopy, i liked the 175 monarch but a lot of people say they have a bad rap, i jumped a small tri, a stiletto, vision, diablo, a 120 something jedi. i went from 220 tri, 230 naviagtor, pd 210, tri 190, tri 175, monarch 175, tri 160, tri 135, tri 120 ect.. then the others mixed in. these were the rentals over the 2 years or so. i bought the 175tri in oct, bought a 175 swift from dz.com and got measured for a wings to fit. now i am no canopy expert but i have ran the tris up and down and love the 175 and weigh 190 about. but give us some more info are you sticking your landing??? what is the dz altitude ect...

what advice? not to swoop or even try to swoop a 7 cell tri?? i see guys doing it all the time low hard riser and front riser close to the ground. i dont know why they do. the new guys seee the swoopers and think they can do the same thing. it is very dangerous to try to swoop a low loaded canopy especially a tri. my point is a high wing loaded canaopy which does not appear safe is actually safer to try to swoop ( not that he would ) due to the hight and longer recovery of the canopy. these new guys think that their big canopy is safer so they think they can ty a little swoop. dangerous. so whats the foolish advice?? or did you miss understood what i said

diablo you over paid tunnel flyer and sky god and seller of great gear let me seek your wisdom devine. seriously your the shit! i have thethe art of vrw book and video from works. do you think its out dated?? i am back flying ok working on head down and sit but tell me is there a more current instructional video / book. its a great book but every one tells me its old and that i should just go film another tandem or 4 way. i want to film freeflyers one day when i get big. got any websites, books, or videos?? Chris ( still havent had to use that 175 reserve yet )

oh yeah most of these guys will give you great advice obviously ask your instructor and some of the high jumpers also. but some of these guys are the biggest Hypocrites around. i know them they say no camera on your head till 500 jumps when the had one on their head at 50 jumps. dont down size to fast and at 100 jumps they are jumping 120 visions ect.. they remind me of cave divers in the scuba world, they think only they can do what they do. but also most will give you the best advice also! but never swoop a tri its a 7 cell recovers too fast which is great but forces someone to try a low low hook turn so thats bad. its safe to try to swoop a 110 stileto then a 160 tri. so fly easy but ill tell you in the wind and turbulance bumping around the tri is very stable. The 175 helped me out this weekend. i and several others landed way off from the dz due to a bad gps read. and non of us idiots bothered to spot, we though tthe first guy did a good spot. so me and the 175 flew a good ways and landed in a nice place. my buddy with 75 jumps on a 160 landed with me as did others. i love light wing loading. and yes i wil remember to spot my self even if i am filming two nuts doing the horney gorrilla.

Ok i will help you out here. you way 160lbs and a 175 reserve is in that? good. 160 tri is very good for you, it will give you good drive into the winds penatration and you landing it will be no problem. you can also hold and make it back from long spots with the wind. I have a 175 tri with my jump # and ill tell you why. I have been dropped all over the place and i want to stay up longer to make it back, plus i love to fly. I jumped the 160 alot and jumped the tri 135 also. i am 195 now i dont like the speed of the 135. plus this 175 opens so sweet and slow better then the 160 so thats it for me. now are you jumping a 220 tri right now?? or what?? the tri flys the same from 220 to 160 the 160 is faster of course but you get better speed and will alow you to get a better crisper flare. you need enough weight to drive the canopy and i think you to light for a 220. i think you should buy the 160 now and jump it at 25 to 30 jumps. rent a 190 and a 175 tri and see. now its turns faster, and is more responcive, you have!!!!!!!! to finish your flair to your finger nails on no wind days. Do ont hook turn it or get stupid with it no low turns and practicve flat half breaked turns. if you have a kind of windy day you will not notice much but if you jump it on a no wind day you may run or slide. do a good half flare about 12-15 feet like pow hard to half way to level out and stop your decent and then bleed the rest of the flare till the end. do it flowingly just dont flare all the way hard at 12 feet or you will go up and slam. so a quick initial flare then bleed it out quickly and put your foot on the ground when your hands are stretched way out in the flare down and out full extention. most dont finish there flare. and if you flare to late flare all the way hard and pick up your feet to slide. but try it on a bit of wind in the day.

training tool and practice andd then i go out to the dz and fly better. like to get it down in the tunnel and then apply it to the sky. but its soooo fun

oh yeah GOD SAVE TERRI SHIAVO please!!!!

Christians are not devisive they just dont drink and get nude. and they pray for ya. serious they are great Ron is a great guy. Christian skydiving is his baby. I wonder if ron could land with just his angel wings and not that old canopy. still land in the peas. My only complaint is ron flat packs ( how offensive ) but he is a great guy and a christian.

i did they saw how i fly and they handed me a mop I have to tell everyone 2 people messeged me and told me what they get paid they both get paid $37.46 an hour and they get to fly in the tunnel nude with Hooters girl on sat at 3:00am boy ill tell ya ill never tip a skyventure tunnel rat again

Thanks ya smart ass Great answer, At least you sold me an awesome Tempo 175 reserve. Hey you made a couple hundred bucks off me, you either need to ship me a six pack of mich ultra or give me a better answer please post you pay check stubs for us all to see Chris

Hey just curious how are the skyventure flight instructors paid just curious is it hourly or by flight no one has to tell me how much they make i was curious for a general ammount they make thanks