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Talk about cherry-picking. I just looked that guy up. Not really what I would call a "hard-science" source. How about the actual report? Or peer-reviews? Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

And here we have a typical billvon cherry pick thread twist If you care to look up thread you will see I did not bring up the 3/5s person issue Wendy did Then kallend destroys his own position (in his argument with me) and now you twist it MEH Move along I guess Nothing new here............ Reading your posts is like trying to understand the magnet poetry your drunk friend made on your refrigerator but he only had half of the words of the set and most of those are in Sanskrit. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

From your moral standpoint. For people who don't believe casual sex is a sin and still believe that things can happen, it is not. Unless you are practicing absolute abstinence, pregnancy can occur. Sometimes it is smart to not complete gestation because the child would have a potentially worse life than not having one. You have no idea what is going on through the mind of a woman who makes the heavy decision to abort or the repercussions she might feel within herself about for years to come. So get off your high horse about what is responsibly (sic). Fucking black and white thought. I just can't understand it. Pro-life people don't care at all about the child really. Cause once that thing is born, fuck it, right? No safety net, nothing. Welfare, lunch programs, whatever. Not a chance in a conservative, pro-life world. Pretty much let a kid get a shit life because his parents had an accident. You only care while it is in the womb. George Carlin got that so right, it hurts. Also, your typing is shit. You are like EE Cummings without the talent. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Luckily, science does not give one shit what you think. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Well, that is where you lost me, bill. What has science ever proven or done for me? "What have the Romans ever done for us?" The aqueduct..and sanitation...roads (obviously)... Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Well, that is where you lost me, bill. What has science ever proven or done for me? Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Absolutely not, I think you should have to take responsibility for your actions. Do you think that people should be free to do as they wish with no consequences, no matter what they do? An abortion is taking responsibility. Just not taking it in a way YOU agree with. Action: had sex Consequence: got pregnant Responsibility to consequence: 1) determine that you would not be able to care for a child and abort 2) have child and raise it 3) have child and give it up. By your logic though, giving it up is also not an options because you are pushing the consequence of a child onto someone else. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

I have never. I also have never killed anyone. But that does not mean I cannot have views/opinions on capital punishment. Just another wasteful posting by you; along with most of yours. Jerry Baumchen With the greeting every message and your name at the bottom, your posts are so cordial, even when they are slamming someone. Love it. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

I didn't even bother to turn the sound on. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

When this happens, rush, you know you got some freaking issues. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Perv. That may be true. But then you also sent me a PM asking to come over and check them out, so there's that. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Yup. conception is definitely does not mean beginning in that sentence. The context in no way infers that definition. Ya got me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

It means - he is saying stuff that RushMC says all the time. You don't understand it, so you are wrong. Rush just doesn't utilize his vocabulary of larger words when he does it. Solo - what he is saying is "whoosh" Wrong again, turtle. Wrong again. but that is par for course for you isn't it? I have been repeating facts over and over. Rush spouts opinion, usually one time. Subsidies have always been used in energy innovation = fact. From its inception oil gained government assistance. Subsidies were used to find better ways to frack = fact. Natural gas companies got money to explore ways to frack better as well as access to land and tax benefits for doing so. Subsidies will continue to be used to make strides in energy = opinion predicated on past fact. It is only the alternative subsidies that seem to be his problem with this. I am just tired of saying it and having it ignored. I am not saying it is going over his head. I am saying he is being willfully obtuse about it. I think he understand it quite well. Feel free to peruse this article from the super-biased Chemical & Enginering News: http://cen.acs.org/articles/89/i51/Long-History-US-Energy-Subsidies.html Here are some little tidbits for you: or But I am sure we can gloss over all that. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Ok, let's get to the bottom of this thing: did you actually buy the rug or had you just shaved the Llamas? Oh, it was definitely a rug. But now that you mention it, I did shave the llamas and use their wool as a bathmat. Terrible idea. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

You think we switch from wind to coal simply because of economics? Certainly is was cheaper to just burn coal. But you don't think it might also have been because we found burning something for heat easier than trying to harness the current tech to store wind power? Tax expenditure subsidies do not just happen because you are paying taxes. They are predicated on HOW you incurred the tax: Yeah, that last bit? That would cover monies going towards R&D, improvements in process, infrastructure, etc. Not all subsidies for such things come directly from a grant. Again, You don't have a realistic view of reality. I can't keep repeating myself with facts about how subsidies have been used since energy innovation conception in America when you have a fundamentally different view of those facts. Not all Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

I dunno I think that you have it all locked up. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Talk about smugness..... Sheesh No no, rush. I am the smug one, remember? Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

I see. So, the problem is that you don't understand what research and development is. Or the timelines that development can take on new things. I should have guess that when you said that if oil reached an untenable price, we would just switch right over to alternatives. Like magic. POOF! All the infrastructure to support cheap alternative sources would just be there. By your definition, you seem to think we should always go from concept to finished product in about 5 seconds. How long did it take to get from ENIAC to the tiny personal computer of today? Hint, it was not 5 seconds. Or 5 years. Or 50 years. I won't even bother to get into the fact that it is people who agree with you that prevent alternatives from taking hold. We got oil right now, so why bother? I get it. You like the status quo. It is too bad that since the dawn of time, the status quo of the world has always changed. Constantly. So much so that status quo really loses all meaning. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Really? If some woman with "something" in her hand is trying to accost your wife, do you pull her away? You mean the thing that looks like a phone? That a reporter might have in this age to, oh I don't know, record sound? Or that nearly anyone might have in their hand these days? You are digging. Let me know if you find a jar of coins. I buried them when I was 5 and never found them again. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Oh? Is that in an official document somewhere? otherwise....I am not really interested in your opinions on what are facts. The government calls tax breaks subsidies. Therefore, they are subsidies according to the definition. You may not like, but there it is. You can call a fish a mongoose for all I care. It is still a fish by definition. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

You keep using this "pay in, get back personally" idea. Again, that is not how taxes work. And you refer to direct investment alone. Why? The government considers tax expenditures as subsidies. Why do you not? Never mind. I know the answer. In any case, petroleum and natural gas alone received 2.34 billion in subsidies in 2013 for TOTAL subsidies and support. Could these alternatives also be getting more because they are much newer and less established and therefore require more support to get rolling? No, that could not be it. Silly of me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Yup. You are right. Clearly I meant oil subsidies and not subsidies of any form in my above post. OF COURSE I was referring to oil subsidies. You know, before oil was being used. Yup. That is definitely what my intent was. you got me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Cashmere rug!? We can't be friends anymore Look. I was drunk. I blacked out. When I woke up, I had bought the rug. I also bought 2 llamas, a signed edition of Chicago Bears Super Bowl Shuffle, 48 copies of The Star Wars Christmas Special, and 100 cans of Surge. It was a rough weekend. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

You may want them to have a smaller role but they don't. Never have, never will. You have no basis of real data to give as example to your ideal society because it has never existed. Kinda like pure communism. You can look at the EIA site for a breakdown on subsidies. They all get it. Of course, I don't think that includes cheap land, greased-palms, and other nice "government" help. Here is a question: Do you want to get rid of all regulations for cars, energy, and food? Never have? Surely you jest! Did you used to have to wear a seatbelt? You do now. Good or bad - that was one way government intruded. What the hell are you talking about? You think because they didn't in ONE area that negates the idea that they did not influence in other ways? You honestly think that just because seat belts were allowed, that is a sign that government did not have influence in other areas? That they were not providing deals, aid, and influence to help shape the country from inception? That is what I meant by never. By your measure, we should go back to before we had a government when there was no interference at all. Everything should be allowed because we are not allowed to make new rules based on new data and information. The last time we had a small government was about 2 days after the US was formed. You picked up on me saying never. And you are correct. Absolutes are a poor choice. But I would have thought you could have inferred actual intent instead of being pedantic. I clearly forgot where I was. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

Yes I arrive at my positions after thoughtful consideration and analysis of the facts. Obviously you take a different approach. I think you are confusing facts with opinions and anecdotes. Please let me know what facts you are basing your position on. I have repeatedly informed you are the fact that government has always intruded whether that be through regulation or subsidies. It goes to show that they will probably continue this. The history of subsidies is a fact. Not an opinion. The numbers are recorded. Even your baby natural gas received huge tax subsidies. Certainly, there are outliers; nothing is absolute, but the greater majority of innovations have been supported in some way by government help. So I have no idea where you can get any facts that prove your idea that less government intervention in innovation (here we are talking about energy) is better. Because you don't have enough examples to back it up. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.