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Yes, everyone believed the money arrived as three separate packets meaning it had to be placed/dropped or landed in a container.. the evidence indicates that individual packets were rubber banded together into bundles and the TBAR money was one single bundle of several packets, that opens up the means by which it could have arrived. The paper bank bands don't play a role here. but, if the individual packets had paper bank bands how does that change the TBAR dynamics. Paper bands deteriorate quickly when wet and would not survive out in the elements until spring '72.. This suggests the money was stored out of the elements until it was introduced into the River in a Spring and that the money arrived on TBAR very soon after going into river..

McCoy's ransom money was also in bank straps.. hundreds had plane white straps, no markings, twenties blue and white straps, no markings..

You can believe anything you want, if you think "bank type bands" means rubber bands that is up to you, if you reject all the other evidence that is up to you.. However, posting fake evidence is dishonest and misleading for forum readers. The Campbell interview doc quote you posted was doctored from the original, it has errors and was edited.. somebody typed up a doctored version for some reason.. Here is the original Campbell interview from the FBI files... the part you cite does not exist in the original it was added by somebody recently in an unofficial document. It is not clear if Tina took a single "packet" or a single "bundle" because the terms "small packages" and "package" was used. Elsewhere the FBI used the term package to refer to bundles, groups of packets. But package can describe both.

Georger goes into a funk mode now and then and plays the histrionics and exaggeration game for attention,, perhaps out of frustration, a cry for help or an attempt at sarcasm.. Best to just ignore.. clearly nonsensical.. 100 straps is obviously not 22 lbs.

I saw that vid,, sketch A was no good, so toss it, the vid images look too young and not particularly swarthy/latin,, the hair doesn't match the witnesses of curly, wavy, marceled..

No, he has been consistent. Others have been trying to discredit Ratazcak but IMO have failed miserably. The only caveat is that the crew was instructed early on to only mention public info already revealed in the newspapers. So, they have generally revealed more over time as more case info has become public.

Nobody said they were designed to fail in 6 months, you made it up. Not sure why you feel the need to do that. ABA and Federal Reserve straps are made from white kraft paper. One of the strongest papers when dry but weakens significantly when wet.. It can degrade in weeks depending on environment, 3 months is max outside and wet.. I have no idea what type of glue was used in 1971.

Yes, Ratazcak said it was the best book (2011) the only one at the time that he thought got things right and he got final approval.. Himmelsbach book 2nd... That said, all books can have errors.

Page 23 of Richard Tosaw's book has a discussion of Cooper offering Alice and Florence (the other two stews) one bundle of money each as they were departing the aircraft. Both declined to accept it.

Here we go again, Georger playing histrionics,, nobody said they are designed to last 6 months. Paper bank bands are paper not the same material as currency,, paper disintegrates within 3 months outside and wet.. if they were stored in a dry environment like a bank they would last a long time.. probably longer than stretched rubber bands. I am not sure about the glue... would it release quickly when wet?

I have long argued that because the money went to Cooper rubber banded in bundles of several packets that the money most likely landed on TBAR as one rubber banded bundle of several packets. Tina asked for money and Cooper handed it to her, she took it and then returned it.. she claims. she indicated "bank-type bands around each package" It was reported but unconfirmed that Cooper also offered Flo and Alice ransom money as they left the plane but no description of it..

You have Tina, the bank guy in the FBI files, Himmelsbach and Tosaw corroborating bank bands.. could they all be wrong, it is possible but we need some solid evidence to challenge it. But, if they were paper bands on the packets, bundled into groups of packets with rubber bands how does that change the TBAR scenario? Paper bands would deteriorate in about 3 months in nature,, not long enough to reach spring '72. If the paper bands were wet, how long would the glue hold?

One bundle says Pringle, FBI assistant special agent in charge of the Seattle office.. (of several packets) It was in same order and packaging as given to Cooper.

The 302's are clear, bank bands,, Carr doesn't get that the rubber bands were used for the bundles..not the packets of 100. bank bands are paper bands 7:19 in video Himmelsbach.. Money was given to Cooper strapped in 100's and bundled with rubber bands.. A strap is bank lingo for 100 bills paper bank banded.. "There were ten thousand twenty dollar bills assembled in straps of a hundred bills to a strap and individual straps held together with rubber bands."

Like many things in the Cooper case we never get to 100%... That is why it has lasted 50+ years.. Tina bank type bands..

The FBI files are clear and that includes the pilot transcripts which are as accurate as you can get,, Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered in flight.. Ulis asked Ratazcak if Cooper changed his demand and Ratazcak said something like they had to convince him have stairs up on takeoff. So, Ulis rejects the evidence because he asked Rataczak the wrong question and got the wrong answer.. The other one is the plane on autopilot,, in the FBI files somebody told somebody that the plane was being flown on autopilot.. ok, but there are lots of errors and assumptions in the FBI files, they are not conclusions they are investigative notes. Ratazcak, the pilot, said he was hand flying the plane and joked that the path was crooked because he was hand flying it.. THE ACTUAL PILOT SAID HE WAS HAND FLYING THE PLANE. Further, the Boeing test engineer stated that on autopilot Cooper wouldn't be felt on the stairs.. Ratazcak said he felt Cooper on the stairs... The evidence supports the plane being hand flown by Ratazcak not on autopilot. People keep trying to change the facts to fit a preconceived narrative.. for McCoy's hijacking the crew saw the red airstair light (amber) and felt a change in pressure when McCoy exited, they went back and confirmed, he was gone.. Same as NORJAK... except the NORJAK crew was ordered not to check.

Chaucer is incapable of sorting this out,, Carr will just repeat his error. Everybody including Carr kept saying the "bundles" were randomized... but the money was given to Cooper in 100's and rubber banded into groups.. the TBAR money was in 100's and in the same order.. the TBAR money was NOT randomized. So, it never made sense to me and when I questioned it I got trashed because nobody saw the logical conflict.. When Carr stated on DZ that the TBAR "bundles" were randomized into $500 or $1000 each I knew he mixed up bundles and packets of 100.. The bundles of several packets of 100 were randomized not the individual packets of 100.. So when Carr was told by the bank guy that the bundles were randomized and repackaged with rubber bands, he misunderstood and thought that the packets of 100 were.. Carr made other errors as well, he said the back chutes came from Hayden then he said he thought they came from Cossey's house and speculated that Cossey sent the chute instructions because of his modified chute... IMO, Carr is just not up to date with the case.. his case knowledge is circa 2012.

That just is not true,, "packets" was used. Himmelsbach called them a "flat", same thing. Calling the TBAR money 3 "bundles" is where it all went sideways.. because a rubber banded group of packets is a "bundle".. not just words but context is crucial. but how can Carr straighten it out when he doesn't understand that the TBAR money was 3 packets of 100's and was given to Cooper in packets of 100's that were rubber banded into bundles. The FBI said the money was in the same order and packaging..

The initial description of the chute Cooper used. Then Cossey's later description of the chute Cooper used... sometimes NB6, sometimes NB8.. but clearly not the same. Since Cossey also claimed it as his personal customized chute taken from Sky Sports, he has no credibility.

No, I never said Carr was lying, he was incorrect and misunderstood. We now that because he said the 3 TBAR "bundles" were each a random size.. they were not. Carr confused packets of 100 bills with bundles of packets. IMO, there were paper bands on the packets and possibly rubber bands on some as well. The individual packets were rubber banded into bundles.. Another thing is there were 2 bank stashes.. the bank immediately made a second one with the money from the first stash that was not used. The FBI got so confused about deducting the bills not taken from the first micro that they asked for the micro of the second bank stash.. a complete screwup..

Cossey believed his back chutes were taken from Sky Sports.. The NB6/8 was described by Cossey as a sage green nylon container/sage green nylon harness but prior to Cossey describing his chute to the FBI the back chute used by Cooper was described as olive drab container/tan cotton harness.. Cossey thought his personal chutes were to be used, but meanwhile Hayden's were obtained and Lynn Emrich was told only to send the chest chutes.. Cossey didn't know that until later,, but he never corrected his error. The ramifications are astounding...

Another possibility is that money was out in the environment very briefly. For example, somebody goes out searches and finds money that Cooper lost in the jump, keeps it to spend later because it is marked and reward is small.. ends up in the Columbia River intentionally or accidentally in a spring years later.. In that scenario or similar the rubber bands would not deteriorate as fast and enable the packets to fan out in the water years later. It is difficult to determine the deterioration rate of the rubber bands due to unknown environmental variables. I can see the argument for spring '72 or spring '79... too many unknown unknowns.

Of course the bands were not "intact"... "Intact" suggests whole, unbroken and fully surrounding a packet.. Given the condition of the packets that is ridiculous. One packet was missing some top bills so no rubber band there but there were fragments reportedly attached to some of the packets which crumbled when touched.. Those rubber band fragments have never been produced. "Intact" is like "loafers",, made up and inconsistent with the evidence.

Sluggo's site is gone. It can be found on the internet archive here.. https://web.archive.org/web/20190210220215/http://n467us.com/

Finally, Chaucer almost got it... not quite but getting closer. It doesn't eliminate the 8:11 time though and the time of the call is not a "guess". Yes, Rataczak called Soderlind at NWA and reported it minutes later.. (Anderson and Ratazcak) Ratazcak stated they had not yet reached Portland proper but were definitely in the suburbs. He is referring to the call to Soderlind. If Ratazcak called Soderlind minutes after the "bump/jump" and the call was in the suburbs of Portland then the bump was somewhere minutes N of Battleground at 8:15.. (so 8:11- 8:13) This matches the LZ created by Soderlind. It destroys a Columbia River landing. Ratazcak also claimed the mark your radar/shrimpboats to ATC was right away not to Soderlind, so there were two comms from Ratazcak. We don't have that ATC comm but there was dead air from 7:59 to 8:13 due to a frequency/zone error. I don't see any evidence to question Ratazcak's claim but even without it we have enough to establish Cooper jumped minutes North of the suburbs of Portland. aka N of approximately Battleground. This matches and confirms the LZ created by Soderlind. Chaucer writes.. "Bit of talk recently regarding the comms relating to the jump time of Cooper. Larry Carr told me personally (on Eric Ulis's Facebook page) that a transcript of the NWA comms with Flight 305 exists. In his reading of this, he confirms that when the pressure bump happened, they were not on the phone with NWA, but called afterward to report the incident. This comports with what Anderson said in 2014. Carr said that the person doing the recording did not write down the time that the report was received, but instead estimated the time that the crew thought they felt the pressure bump. This would seemingly eliminate the 8:11 jump time based upon the "Rataczak losing his ear piece" comm. This would put the pressure bump an unknown amount of time AFTER the 8:11 time of the report of "oscillations". How far after is still a guess."