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No, I didn't jump on you for that.. You were discounting Gregory and propping up Tina.. I agree that she is being deceitful.. no way she didn't see his face, she influenced sketch A. I have always said Tina was hiding something.. But, I disagree with the idea that she just didn't want to be bothered, this was too important and she was co-operative for some time. The statements that she didn't see his face would decimate any prosecution.. she was the primary witness for the FBI eliminating suspects for years.. everything she said would be tossed. She was the go to witness and her credibility is shot.. The other problem is she was the driver for sketch A and when sketch B came up she wanted to stick to it.. Flo and others did not like sketch A. Tina eventually agreed with the final sketch B.. So, it appears she misled or was vague with the FBI for sketch A, resisted sketch B.. to defend the bad sketch A she falsely claimed she didn't see his face.. to protect Cooper's ID or undermine the investigation for some reason.

Another one.. d b cooper Stock Footage - Footagenet1.mp4

Old news video I found... interesting, note the stick marking the money find spot looks about 30 ft from the water and about 3-4 ft above waterline.. also shows several large pieces of money found.. d b cooper Stock Footage - Footagenet4.mp4

Can't confirm date but I'd guess 1985 based on the guy mentioning an article 5 years prior (1980). Money was split up in 1986.

From the conversation, they hadn't split up the money yet..

Cool, send him the video...

Don't know but I added about 6 bills to my TBAR bill list.. close to 90 now.. great video.. anybody recognize the voices..

Video of the money...

Makes sense, he probably took the glasses off to check the money in detail.. Alice/Alyce said she thought the sunglasses were prescription..

Alice must have seen his eyes also.. we only have a fraction of the 302's.. she probably had some input. FBI concluded,, "eye's dark, possibly brown" that must come from somewhere.. But Tina must have seen Cooper's face maybe eyes's too, she was the primary input on sketch A and initially insisted A was better than B against all other witnesses. Sketch A was bad.. She later agreed with sketch B.. She was also used to evaluate suspect images.. If she didn't see his face, that makes no sense.. So, Tina must be being deceitful when she said she didn't see his face,, and that means she is protecting Cooper for some reason... and no I don't think she was involved or knew him prior.

Digging through the files always turns up something new, missed or forgotten.. Alice says she saw Cooper without glasses...

I think what happened was sketch B was made in a process... first Gregory and Mitchell made changes then the stews, the final one was basically agreed by all. So, the early criticism were addressed.. Sketch A should be tossed. But if Tina did not see Cooper's full-face and she was with him the most and she was the primary FBI witness then we have a big big problem.. or the FBI does. It tosses Tina's testimony... ironically people reject Gregory and hold up Tina as the gold standard. I have always believed something unique happened in this case to derail it.. it may be too much reliance on Tina and Cossey.. and yes, it looks like there is something Tina is hiding..

I know, when I first read it, I assumed slam dunk that was Tina.. But, if it was Tina we have big big problems.. Tina was the primary witness used to screen suspects and that passage would completely compromise all her testimony.. and the FBI using her as their primary witness makes the entire investigation invalid... Tina's evidence and testimony would be completely compromised. If it was Tina that might explain why sketch A was so far off.. if they relied heavily on Tina. Also,, Hancock had the least contact with Cooper and admitted elsewhere that she didn't see his face.. Tina elsewhere was not so negative on sketch B.. Tina did give detailed descriptions of Cooper's face, a contradiction. The redacted name in the passage above also contains 12 letters which match TINA MUCKLOW and the content match Tina's testimony elsewhere.. if that is Tina then the other is not. So, on balance, I lean toward Hancock,, and I really hope it isn't Tina because the ramifications are huge.. all her testimony and credibility would be in question as well as the FBI and the entire case for using her as the primary witness.

I think this is Flo, subject's hair looked "greasier" or "slicked"... this corroborates Gregory.

and the money/tip before she left.. so very little

This doc virtually confirms that the above was NOT Tina but was likley Hancock.. The above was an early version of sketch B in the process but here.. sketch B appears to be the best likeness possible based on recollection of "stewardesses" ______ Sketch B was revised from above date and the BEST likeness of Cooper. That means there was no major disagreement on sketch B from Tina it was from Hancock who admitted she didn't see Cooper's full-face straight on.

I found it, my OCR was messed up on this page, and in analyzing the redaction.. it is 12 characters,, We have assumed it was TINA MUCKLOW (12) but it might be MRS. HANCOCK (also 12).. If you look at the redaction in the previous paragraph, it is also 12 characters.. but the content is incompatible... that indicates they are not the same person. Since Hancock claimed elsewhere she did not get a good look at Cooper's face and the content, I lean toward this actually being MRS. HANCOCK and not Tina.. Tina was not so negative on sketch B and never expressed that she was heavily influenced by the sketch.. It isn't proof, but is worth considering. It makes more sense that this was Hancock..

No insults.. If your goal is to inform the public that is fine, it isn't my goal right now. My goal was to solve this case for myself.. not others. The public generally does not have a good understanding of this case.. it is a very complex case with a very steep learning curve. I have over 9000 pieces of info in my Cooper case folder.. But, I have contributed a lot, more than I can probably remember, some things you may not even realize, and I have been advised to not talk about Cooper at all anywhere... the research I have would blow this thing wide open and be stolen by others.. it has already happened. Further, sharing my research will 100% jeopardize my ability to move the case forward. So, when many people attack me for not sharing all my research they don't understand that I have very good reasons. And I am still working on some things with the hope at some point to be able to present it properly in another format, it is too complex to present on a forum.. Educating hostile people doesn't interest me.. I am seriously considering just leaving this forum completely, I get virtually nothing from it but insults, crazy accusations and stupid irrelevant arguments..

Thanks for posting that, I had a vague memory of it but couldn't find it.. So, Tina and Alyce didn't get a full-face view of Cooper.. Flo was in the cockpit for much of the time. How interesting..

I have a vague recollection something to the effect that she was looking forward and Cooper whispered comms in her ear, but I can't find confirmation.. the amount if info in this case is getting hard to track.. Does anybody have documentation on that.. This was Alice...

Well, those things are an achievement but in the context of this case, they are virtually irrelevant..

You were wrong, personally attacked me... Most people apologize or at least acknowledge their error(s), you just go passive aggressive.. I don't share 80% of my research publicly because of people like you..

Maybe you just aren't a good enough researcher...

I wrote something 100% accurate intentionally using the word "some". YOU accused me of saying something else even changing my words (multiple) then you reject the meaning of what I actually wrote to fit your own bias.. does that sound rational. Lawyers are trained to be good with words and should know the meaning of the word "some".. It is crazy, I wrote something 100% accurate and get accused of meaning something else,, something I never wrote.. Most people don't know the definition of the word "some" but I would expect a lawyer to,, and to claim I meant something other than what I wrote that is just another level of crazy.. No, I am not taking the Hahneman bait..

So, I had to go find the "302" to be 100% accurate, I thought it was Alice that didn't see Cooper full-face. and I was right. It was Alice that said she didn't see Cooper's full-face.. You got this wrong as well...