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or Tina claiming she didn't see Cooper's face head on with the FBI using her for the primary sketch and the "go to" to eliminate suspects.. a massive problem for any potential prosecution. and, current Cooper sleuth's using Tina as the gold standard.. something is up with Tina, she is being evasive or dishonest for some reason. It is hard to believe she didn't see Cooper's face,, but she didn't want to participate in the revision of the sketch,, why, did she initially want sketch A to stand.. because it was more accurate or less accurate.

An educated guess or wrong? Not sure what the rules are now...

Not much new, mostly reposted pages.. "recollection of UNSUB is becoming dim" a year and a half later..

I am a natural skeptic.. How do you know that is the right Catalano.. the Nazi was 33 in 1971 and I haven't seen a reference to the middle name Angelo.. There is another possibility, a "Fred Angelo Catalano" born 1922 NY and died 1978..

Hyperbolic now.. Your initial claim was only a news article with a (shared) name. I didn't have the background info you had, you eventually posted the evidence to support it.. simple. I have been around here long enough not to take claims at face value.. I am sure you do that as well. and no I won't correct you.

I just checked and it wasn't there...

Making a claim from a name in a newspaper isn't a complete argument.. especially when two people share a rare name. You amended it with appropriate evidence. You have also made a big error due to lack of information which I have intentionally not corrected..

That is a better argument.. But, I don't really trust anyone else's claims at face value especially in an area I haven't researched myself like Alice's past.. it may be interesting but immaterial to solving the Cooper case. Claims are irrelevant, I always look beyond at the argument. We spent years debating Ulis's 10 year research/narrative on Peterson... and the Western Flight Path theory.... a waste of time.

Weak argument.. where did Alice live in 1968, where was she born?

She probably made up the confession,, Jo said it all came to her when she read Gunther's book and the name "Dan Cooper" was used not DB and Duane had said "Dan Cooper" (she claims).. the use of Dan instead of DB started it, but "Dan Cooper" was used in the media soon after the hijacking though "DB" was more common.

Different Alyce Gorley... An "Alyce Mae Gorley" lived in Texas... https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92011096/alyce-mae-gorley

Yup, she made it all up.. Prior, she was constantly messaging me trying to push Duane..... but I rejected her narrative. She was very manipulative. My dad died suddenly and I left the Vortex for a few years, when I came back the forum was locked.. She was very good at manipulating people... IMO, Duane was the victim in that relationship.. and there is no way he was Cooper.

Probably to plug CooperCon.. But, there are three different RemCru related suspects now..

I noted Himmelsbach in my request.. I've also noticed that sometimes we discuss things that soon pop up in the files.. like they are toying with us.. Well they won't win....

That is odd about the name... adding Gunther's middle name means they have something on him.. As for Jo, she is unreliable.. She contacted me years ago and tried to convince me Duane was Cooper, she was very manipulative but when I rejected Duane she started lying about me to discredit me.. She is like the Gunther book, mostly fiction.. but what part is true?

Jo weber claimed to have talked to Gunther about the book,, Jo did have a reputation and skill at contacting and talking to people.. this is probably true. A summary of her posts about the book.. this gets really sketchy as she is unreliable.. and tried to infer Duane was the one who contacted Gunther and his ex was Clara.. Gunther's book was the first she read and she contacted the FBI by page 13. She had many calls and letters with Max Gunther. She claims Gunther had 6 - 45 minute calls with “Clara”, he changed many details. Clara was drunk during the calls. Only the lines and words in quotes are words from Clara. Clara said Cooper looked like Ben Gazzara. Max wrote the mostly fictional book because the FBI did not take his reported contact seriously. Max admitted the book is 99% fiction. Jo said 97% and 98% fiction. Jo claims to have a copy of Gunther’s book marked with the statements Clara made and marked during a call with Gunther. Max made up Clara’s past.

Did you use his middle name in the FOIA?? I used "Max Gunther" but the response had "Max David Gunther".. so how would they know his middle name was David,, either they got it from another FOIA or they found his full name somewhere in their files. I got an initial email saying nothing found but I can opt to have a more extensive search, so I did.. I just received an "official" letter saying nothing found.

Got an official response, the FBI has nothing relating to Max Gunther.

Ulis, NickyB, olemisscub and likely others are chasing the sketchy REMCRU lead.. No, those particles are NOT limited to REMCRU. They are tracking associated titanium alloy inventors... maybe the same person or multiple people... I don't do facebook.. One is Milton B Vordahl... This is like finding KFC chicken on a tie and claiming it was worn by Colonel Sanders... possible but extremely unlikely.

Which other organization?

Are you suggesting an FBI coverup to hide Cooper's identity?

Jo also claimed Cooper had a scar on his left hand... this has never been sourced. Gunther also said Cooper had a scar on the left hand, maybe Jo got it from that book.. a hall of mirrors.. but, never confirmed..

Chaucer,,, "Attached are images from charts that I requested from the National Archives. They are from the Enroute High Altitude charts dated October 14th, 1971. As Dr. Edwards states in the blog post above, it is now conclusive that when the R2 handed off 305 at 7:59pm, he did so to the wrong radar operator. He handed 305 off to the high altitude R16 sector rather than the R4 sector manned by Cliff Ammerman. Eventually, at 8:13 pm, the crew of Flight 305 began communicating with Ammerman as the R5 operator. As a result, if Bill Rataczak shouted "There he goes! Mark it on your shrimp boats!" between 7:59 and 8:13, he was likely speaking into dead air. " After attacking Rataczak's credibility in a now deleted delusional and unhinged video, Chaucer gets something right.. This is what was assumed.. Rataczak said "mark your shrimp boats" into dead air.. so it wasn't recorded. It supports the 8:11-8:13 jump time recorded by Soderlind listening live. The Columbia River landing is DOA..

yes, a few sources.... and nothing reliable or certain. it was pushed by Jo Weber, she claimed Mitchel told her he saw thick socks or long underwear.. Tosaw's book cites Mitchell saying long underwear or whatever was showing over his socks.. agents believed thermal long underwear.. Coffelt's story includes thermal underwear.. So, there is no confirmation of long underwear... Mitchell said in the WHMS interview that he looked geeky, his shoes and socks didn't match,, but he never mentioned long underwear... There is a conflict,, Cooper had ankle high laceless shoes, how could his socks be seen. Conclusion, long underwear is unsubstantiated..

AND.. another nonsense Cooper film, the gift that keeps giving. If everyone is Cooper then nobody is Cooper...