NorrinRadd

I am still confused over your use of the term 'progressive'. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

hahahaha, Yeah. Centrist, Just like Pelosi and Reid are centrists. See.. this is what I am talking about. Folks have partisanship so ingrained that they literally cannot think in any other way. Either you are liberal, or conservative. End of story, cannot think outside that box. No. Not like Pelosi or Reid. Like Norrin. In the manner I just described. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Nice! I love those dogs! Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

One of the benefits of not having a two party system is that things are not always delivered in a strictly liberal or conservative context. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

I am not so sure I qualify as a liberal. I know that is a confounding thing to hear... but I am more of a centrist. I am liberal in some things, conservative in others. But I wont bore you with all the details. Let me just say that while I believe in less government (or corporate) control, I DO believe in greater personal accountability, and the fact that as members of a community, we are obligated to look out for one another. Take that as you will. That said.. you are right. They likely wont find a less radical persona. It is a shame. It would be nice if the media could become less polarizing. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

This^ Here too. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/07/cumulus-planning-to-drop-rush-limbaugh-sean-hannity-169371.html Perhaps they will find a less radical, more rational representative of conservative views? They do exist. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

And we don't care about your country; Mind Your Business! *** And most of the guns our criminals get? Come from the US. So indirectly much of our gun-crimes are a result of lax US laws. That's bull shit... same as with Mexico. Obama is a douche for saying that; same with drugs. This is my business. This is an international forum. And I know for a fact you do not speak for all Americans when you say this. I know there are plenty of people on both sides of the border who think our neighbours are just great! And we all tend to ignore the feeble rants of xenophobes like yourself. Why... I have celebrated July 1st (Canada Day) AND July 4th (your independence day) one right after the other, on both sides of the border, with the same people, both Canadian and American. As for your other point... We recently busted a huge gun-running ring that was bringing guns into Ontario through Detroit. So it is NOT, in fact, BS. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

I quite agree with you! Good points. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Where do all the millions of guns in the UK come from? Surely you can't blame the US for those as well? You're back pedalling because when presented with obvious examples of failed gun control, you're insisting they don't count. Even though frankly, they represent exactly what we'd see in the US if gun ownership were banned - a nation with cops and criminals have guns. When I referred to guns from the US, I was referring to Canada as being the market, not the UK. I am not knowledgeable enough on the illegal contraband of firearms in the UK to make any sort of guess. All I can say is that they have fewer gun related deaths than the US, and better gun control. And what I said was not a back pedal, it was an explanation of why those countries did not fit the rule. No back pedal. A back pedal is a self- contradiction. I did none of that. If you want to compare yourself to places like Mexico, that is your right, I suppose. But The US has not lost control over its territory as far as I know. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Seems like a lot of back pedalling here. You might want to talk about the incredibly unsuccessful registry that Canada experimented with. Did it accomplish anything but waste money? And then let's trendline gun crime in controlled nations over the last 20 years. I believe we'll see a gradual uptick. In the US with 'no laws' as you suggest and ever increasing sales, it's been a substantial downtick. Sorry... back pedalling? Where do you see me back pedalling, exactly? Yes... we got rid of long gun registry. But that does not mean we do not still exercise control at point of purchase and licensing. There is no right to own here. It is treated with much the same philosophy as being able to drive. And most of the guns our criminals get? Come from the US. So indirectly much of our gun-crimes are a result of lax US laws. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Really? Higher gun ownership relates to higher gun deaths? Got anything to back that up? Or maybe it's just the opposite: bearingdrift.com/.../12/18/gun-ownership-and-homicide...worldwide-data Sure! And without resorting to propaganda feeds from pro-NRA sources, either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate Check the gun control policies for each of the countries. http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Oops, Wrong link. I edited my post, but my error is still in yours (and this quote). I was wondering why you considered the Guardian a "Pro NRA Propaganda Source." Try this link: http://storeyinstitute.blogspot.com/2012/12/homicides-and-gun-onwership-what.html And your Business Insider link mentions Australia, Japan, Canada and Great Britain. It ignores Mexico, Brazil, Italy, Jamaica and all the other countries that have very strict gun ownership rules and very high gun death rates. OK I edited my post to reflect your change :) Those countries you mentioned may have stricter gun control laws, but they have significantly reduced abilities to enforce those laws. Mexico, Jamaica, and Brazil have ineffective, highly corrupt police that do not enforce their laws. Hell.. northern Mexico is no longer really under government control. It is mainly a warzone that is being fought over by the government and the various cartels. Italy still has a very high level, effective organized crime that is capable of defeating the police on matters pertaining to gun control. Gun control works... if you can enforce it. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

+1 He should get a medal, but we don't like it when the world sees our soldiers not only murder innocent people but also seemed to enjoy it. He would get a medal from me. But standing up to the state is usually bad for your health. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Really? Higher gun ownership relates to higher gun deaths? Got anything to back that up? Or maybe it's just the opposite: http://storeyinstitute.blogspot.ca/ Sure! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate Check the gun control policies for each of the countries. http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Edit: reflecting changes in quote Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

I am pretty much convinced it will be a kangaroo court. He will get maximum sentence. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

I agree that the devil lies in the details. The points I brought up that were not part of the "and so forth" are still valid, but it IS all in the execution. I am not against firearm ownership. I have friends who have lived, or who live, in remote northern communities, and in those places owning a firearm is a virtual requirement for survival. I know people who have farms, and need firearms to protect their livestock. I know a guy who takes his hunting rifle out one weekend a year with a couple of friends, goes out, each bagging a deer each, or one between two of them, which they use to fill freezers with and have meat all year round. But I have meet doofuses who buy guns just cuz. I have literally seen a guy blow a hole through his own hand because he had no idea how to handle a pistol. And I have seen people who own firearms, and do nothing with them except show them off to friends and blow pop-cans (soda-cans in the US) off fences when taking a break from playing COD. If you have a reasonable reason to own a fire-arm, and can show a certain level of competence with handling them, and can also show that you are not a criminal or a crazy person who will turn around and use it to kill people, then by all means, get one. I just feel there should be a system in place that takes fire arms out of the hands of people who will hurt or kill others accidentally or intentionally. Edit: And we have such a system in place that works, more or less, here. Well, it is effective in reducing gun related deaths, even if it does not eliminate them. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Mmm.. that is another one of your binary assumptions. What I don't like is not capitalism, but how the system is manipulated and abused, and how too many people just accept it. Edit: Rush: I wish I could get involved in a real discussion with you, but you work from so many logical fallacies and closed minded systems that essentially you will only agree with people who choose to agree with you, and you refuse to agree with anyone who has a different opinion, no matter what their rationale. You seem to operate on the same principal of 'either you are with me, or you are against me". Which is too bad. Because the majority of what is out there is somewhere in between. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Strange how most countries with gun control laws... registration, background checks, and so forth... seem to have fewer gun related deaths. Oh well. I'm sure one of these days one of these dudes will run into someone else who has a gun, and the ensuing gun fight will undoubtedly NOT cause additional deaths or injuries. Because gun fights are always such controlled, precise, and easily predicted affairs where no bystanders ever get shot. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Can someone explain to me again how the press and their Hollywood minions don't exert major influences on politics? The elections are basically there FOR the press and media. It is like one of the biggest reality TV shows around. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Agreed. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Sorry I dont buy that You don't have to buy it. :) But that is the way it works. Economy does nothing to indicate how many people have places to live, have food to eat, are able to raise families, live in relative peace and safety, be educated, or be healthy... in other words, general quality of life. All the economy shows is the amount of money exchanging hands. And most money is exchanged between banks and corporations. The more you buy into using the economy as a way of measure how good a country is, the more you perpetuate a failed system. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Well good on the state for throwing out all the cases. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

The economy. Measured by a country's GDP, which measures the amount of money that transfers hands. And the vast majority of money changes hands at the top level: banks, corporations, the ultra rich. Which basically means the 'economy' is a way of measuring how rich the rich are getting. The 'economy' has little to do with how happy a population is. Just how much money the rich are getting. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

At first I thought this was about Coca Cola's Dasani bottled water. Why drive myself crazy trying to be normal, when I am already at crazy?

Are these your words or someone else's? Mine