jbscout2002

I hereby christen thee, Captain Line Twist. You've had more line twists in 3 jumps than I've had in almost 300.

First of all, Sir, the teacher has the right to say whatever she wants about the little conservative liar. Secondly, this is Georgia, so if we get the authorities involved, they will come in gunning everyone down, and GA grants them special protections in court.

Come on Man. We're Airborne. We don't start fights. We finish them. - Hamburger Hill

I'm trying to give up and agree with you guys, but I can't even keep track of what we are whining about. Seems we don't stand for, or against anything. We just simply pass the time starting arguments. Have fun.

I think what happened was that you became such an obvious troll that you're no longer interesting. Bye. Ok. When you make up your mind what you stand for, We'll be here. Bye.

Interesting, not really any of those. Hm, so you are: Pro gun rights (you are evil and like watching kids die) Pro police (you think they are above the law and can murder without question) Anti criminal (they should comply with police orders) Anti legalization of drugs (people should be arrested for illicit drug abuse) This is kind of the way you portray "those" people, and this goes against all of your posting history. As your constituent I am not sure I follow your political agenda.

You may have converted, but it's to a side all of your own. No-one here believes that shit, and such gross exaggeration and distortion of the opposing position is, again, why you will only push people further and further away from seeing the merits of your argument My argument is your argument brother. United we stand. I believe all the shit you've said and support you 100% bro. Good. So you've had a second conversion and you don't believe all the ridiculous shit that you just said in posts #33 and #34? I think you are jumping ship on skydekker and me. I was tracking that we were: Anti gun Anti police Pro criminal lead way Pro legalization of drugs What happened?

We need to stop this bickering. One team one fight. The war isn't in this forum, with words. It's out there, in the classrooms, with militarized weapons of mass destruction wielded by mad men with a fascination for instruments, no, shiny, instruments of war.

And more bullshit. It is nice to deal with somebody who isn't prone to extreme exageration though.... Oh, that was sincere. No exaggerating required. Skydekker 2016

You may have converted, but it's to a side all of your own. No-one here believes that shit, and such gross exaggeration and distortion of the opposing position is, again, why you will only push people further and further away from seeing the merits of your argument My argument is your argument brother. United we stand. I believe all the shit you've said and support you 100% bro.

No, I've sincerely converted to your side. *Scouts honor* I would gather up my guns right now and surrender them, but I'm afraid if I open my safe they will attack me I'm afraid if I call law enforcement to come help me, they will attack me

Outlaw guns Legalize meth Cops are evil Criminals are misunderstood and murdered for sport How do we explain this to our kids? - Fuck em, abort them. Let's do this. Just a suggestion, it's totally your call, but I'll throw it down and you can pick it up if you like it. Suppose we hold off on outlawing guns, just long enough to thin out the cops a little bit, then we take the guns? Just a thought. I'm with you either way.

Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. ***A better way is if the criminal suspect just complies with verbal commands and we stop persecuting the police for any little mistake that is made while trying to subdue an uncooperative criminal. As billvon would say, what is wrong with just obeying the law? Well, you are already suggesting that cops shouldn't have to obey the law. That when they get it wrong, they should get a pass. What if the stop wasn't lawful? What if the subject isn't a criminal? Always surprised to see that those staunch, Merica Freedom people advocate blind obedience to a police officer. (Unless of course it is about stupid gun laws, than the local cops are moronic and nobody should have to adhere to them) You're right. It's all bullshit. Police harassing the masked man running from the bank that has an alarm sounding, going around killing everyone and getting a free pass on it. Goddamn. You have opened my eyes. We need to lock up all the cops. But wait, with no law and order should we have guns for protection? Oh, yeah, those are illegal so no one will have them. Fuck, you are a smart dude. Why aren't you president of Merca? Apparently we did away with that natural born citizen requirement. I'll vote for you.

Dude, these aren't "outrageous exaggerations". They are typical scenarios that play out across the country every day. I get touchy about it because my father has been in law enforcement for over 20 years. He hasn't had any of these "grey zone" type incidents, but I've basically grown up worrying he will either be killed in the line of duty or end up on the chopping block because of the perfect storm of bad circumstances. I'll take the advice of skycop though and adopt a stance of not bothering with the "people who know best".

I live within 30 miles of the border. Most businesses around here that have an American flag, also have a Canadian flag right next to it. Also, Canadian border patrol agents are usually more pleasant in letting me into Canada than the American CBP are about letting me come back home after a day of jumping. Last time I was coming back from skydive Gananoque, the American CBP agent drilled me about whether I was bring liquor or alcohol back, then search my trunk and broke the little tab that lifts up the floor panel to access the spare tire. That's stupid. Why would I smuggle liquor back from Canada? It's more expensive there. I always take beer to Canada and barter it for lift tickets

Without a weapon present in that scenario, the parameters haven't been met and deadly force shouldn't have been used. Again, if you cannot except those parameters, then you shouldn't become a cop. ***or was he reacting to a perceived threat as trained? There has to be an actual threat, not a perceived threat. He reached for a gun, when I saw the gun he shot him is fine with me. He reached for something and I thought it could be a gun, so I shot him. Not so fine. Cops who wait for you to finish your movement and visually process what is in your hand before making a decision to act and then acting on said decision don't tend to live very long. A better way is if the criminal suspect just complies with verbal commands and we stop persecuting the police for any little mistake that is made while trying to subdue an uncooperative criminal. As billvon would say, what is wrong with just obeying the law?

I have a golden retriever who is looking for the limits of those parameters right now. My property is surrounded by corn fields which were just harvested. The farmer is spreading manure right now, so my dog just went and rolled himself in fresh poo mud. And it's chilly and windy out, so I have to wash him in the tub. Little bastard.

And you aren't supposed to use deadly force until certain parameters are met. If you cannot deal with those parameters, you shouldn't be a cop. Absolutely. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify the cop if those parameters are met, i.e. perception that suspect is rapidly drawing a weapon, and then once additional information is available, it turned out that it wasn't a weapon. It's that grey area. Was the officers intent to murder someone after carefully evaluating that the action of reaching for a wallet gave him a good enough excuse to do so, or was he reacting to a perceived threat as trained? This excludes cases like the one in a million in SC who shot an unarmed man multiple times in the back as he tried to retreat. That cop is in jail awaiting his murder trial.

My personal favorite: U.S. Marine Matthew Snyder (2006): When Westboro members, including Phelps, picketed the March, 2006, funeral of Matthew Snyder, a Marine killed in Iraq, it sparked a case that went to the Supreme Court in 2010. The high court decided in an 8-1 decision that the church's actions were protected under free speech. Westboro has picketed numerous military funerals dating before and after Snyder's. (But somehow the second amendment is open for debate) I attached the photo from from a funeral in NY for a Soldier killed in Iraq. They also showed up to the funeral of a close friend of mine. He died of multiple gunshot and shrapnel wounds suffered over the course of a seven hour battle, but he didn't stop fighting until he collapsed. Other men came home to their families as a direct result of Daves selflessness. From he local paper: "They're certainly welcome to roam the streets and contact the press. That's basically what David died for, that they'd have the right to do that," said Rich Dinsmore, spokesman for Weir's family. Weir is survived by his wife, Alison, and their young son Gavin.

All true. Except when they shoot some one for reaching for thei wallet, they are pre-empting their training. Their muscle memory fires based on what they think the outcome will be, not what the actual outcome is. That is a problem. That's a case of having all the information after the fact. If you have someone suspected of a crime, and are telling them to keep their hands up, and they make a fast movement towards their waist, you have to react to what you are presented with. It's a really shitty situation. We have troops in operational theaters right now that are 18/19 years old making these decisions. Having been there many times, I can tell you that hind sight usually stings. Most often you are reacting to parameters that were met under false circumstances. The one time you second guess yourself, a car bomb can take out your entire platoon. His leaves you in a spot to pull the trigger, knowing that the likelihood of it being a real threat is low. It's no good.

We PAY cops to "serve and protect". Those actions are a reasonable expectation. We don't pay cops to shoot unarmed citizens, or choke them to death. We don't pay cops to enter burning buildings and save children. We pay firefighters to do that. We don't pay cops to perform CPR or revive children. We pay paramedics and doctors to do that. We don't pay cops to get involved in teens lives and spend money out of pocket to provide them a better home environment. We pay social workers and rely on charities to do that. We don't pay cops to track an injured dog over a mile from a crash site, and carry it back to the family as a good deed. We don't pay anyone for that. We pay animal control who would eventually find the dog and euthanize it. We don't pay cops to save people from submerged vehicles. We pay firefighters on swift water rescue teams to do that.

This will never be answered, because he would try to change the rules of physics before admitting he made a mistake. When a police officer perceives a threat, he has milliseconds to react. In these situations you don't think, process, of reason what a proper response would be, your body reacts to the situation. Muscle memory will take over and he will do what he was trained to do through academy training drills and experience. Various shoot/no shoot scenarios and so forth. You can think of it like an AAD that fires in a descending airplane. The AAD fires when certain parameters are met. It isn't analyzing the possibility that something else could be causing those parameters, because if it took the time to do that, the jumper would die. That is what happens in the mind in a life and death situation. They say hindsight is always 20/20. After the fact, you have all the information from the event, you see the big picture, you analyze it with reasoning and logic. Everything is black and white, and it seems so clear to you that he fucked up. To the officer, at the time, in the grey area, in the moment, with information he had, which the parameters being met, he took action. There are very rare cases where cops are just shit bags and make bad judgment calls. They get punished for if. Most are awesome. Cops that react to preserve the life of themselves or others, who after the fact realize the parameters were set off by a false alarm, they have to life with it. They may hesitate in the future, second guess themselves, take unnecessary risks, become depressed, or suffer from PTSD. Fight or Flight To produce the fight-or-flight response, the hypothalamus activates two systems: the sympathetic nervous system and the adrenal-cortical system. The sympathetic nervous system uses nerve pathways to initiate reactions in the body, and the adrenal-cortical system uses the bloodstream. The combined effects of these two systems are the fight-or-flight response. When the hypothalamus tells the sympathetic nervous system to kick into gear, the overall effect is that the body speeds up, tenses up and becomes generally very alert. If there's a burglar at the door, you're going to have to take action -- and fast. The sympathetic nervous system sends out impulses to glands and smooth muscles and tells the adrenal medulla to release epinephrine (adrenaline) and norepinephrine (noradrenaline) into the bloodstream. These "stress hormones" cause several changes in the body, including an increase in heart rate and blood pressure. At the same time, the hypothalamus releases corticotropin-releasing factor (CRF) into the pituitary gland, activating the adrenal-cortical system. The pituitary gland (a major endocrine gland) secretes the hormone ACTH (adrenocorticotropic hormone). ACTH moves through the bloodstream and ultimately arrives at the adrenal cortex, where it activates the release of approximately 30 different hormones that get the body prepared to deal with a threat. The sudden flood of epinephrine, norepinephrine and dozens of other hormones causes changes in the body that include: heart rate and blood pressure increase pupils dilate to take in as much light as possible veins in skin constrict to send more blood to major muscle groups (responsible for the "chill" sometimes associated with fear -- less blood in the skin to keep it warm) blood-glucose level increases muscles tense up, energized by adrenaline and glucose (responsible for goose bumps -- when tiny muscles attached to each hair on surface of skin tense up, the hairs are forced upright, pulling skin with them) smooth muscle relaxes in order to allow more oxygen into the lungs nonessential systems (like digestion and immune system) shut down to allow more energy for emergency functions trouble focusing on small tasks (brain is directed to focus only on big picture in order to determine where threat is coming from) All of these physical responses are intended to help you survive a dangerous situation by preparing you to either run for your life or fight for your life (thus the term "fight or flight"). Fear -- and the fight-or-flight response in particular -- is an instinct that every animal possesses.

The story is true, he ended up with misdemeanor charges, 6 months in jail, probation, and fines. There have been a lot of issue around Ft. Drum because Soldiers are issued seven 30 round M4 magazines as part of their kit, so those who live off post are technically breaking the law when they go home at the end of the day. So now local law enforcement are basically just refusing to enforce the law if they pull you over and see your "seven felony counts of criminal possession of a weapon" In NY, a handgun permit is required to purchase or possess within your home or business, a handgun. This permit is required to purchase or possess handgun ammunition as well. This permit is also a CCW. The is not a separate CCW permit. NYC is special though. Your NY handgun permit is invalid in the 5 burrows that make up NYC. Anywhere within the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, or Staten Island, you need a NYC permit issued by the NYPD Commissioner. You have to prove special circumstances showing why you need one. With everyone in NYC, there are less than 2000 active permits. One of them belongs to former mayor Bloomberg, who has spent $50 million out of pocket lobbying for gun control.

Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, was arrested earlier this month in New York for possessing unloaded 30-round magazines. Mr. Haddad, who has been recognized by the Army for his selfless acts of generosity to fellow soldiers, was charged with five felony counts of possession of “high-capacity” magazines. Mr. Haddad, who was medically discharged in 2010 after 12 years of service, was arrested when he was stopped by police on Jan. 6 in LeRay, Ny. Through his brother Michael, Mr. Haddad declined to comment on the cause until after his Feb. 20 conference date to meet with the prosecutor and the judge. “He’s not proclaiming innocence,” Michael Haddad told me in a phone interview. “He thought he had something that was legal and it turned out that they weren’t.” Michael said that his brother told him that, “‘I was arrested. I was charged with a crime. It is what it is.’” Michael, who is raising money for a legal defense, said that his brother’s goal is only to get the charges reduced so he can go on with his life. “No one wants to spend 35 years in prison, least of all a decorated, combat, disabled veteran who has done nothing but good for veterans his whole life,” Michael said. For the possession of the magazines, Mr. Haddad was arrested, booked in county jail and charged with five counts of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree, according to the arrest report. These charges are considered “violent class D violent felony offenses” under New York state law and carry a punishment that ranges widely from conditional discharge to seven years in state prison. (The five charges would be served concurrently.) Kristyna S. Mills, the chief assistant district attorney for Jefferson County, is prosecuting the case. “It’s against the law to possess these types of devices,” she told me in an interview Friday. “He was arrested in accordance with possession of these devices, and it’s our job to prosecute those cases that run amok of the law.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/feb/1/miller-ny-vet-arrested-30-round-magazines-part-1/ Facing a possible 35 year stint in prison. If only he knew the law, he could have beaten the officers to death and got away. Even if they did find out it was him, it would only be 25 years. And before everyone pounces saying it's his fault because he broke the law, these magazines were legal on December 31, the new law went into effect on January 1st. On January 6th, he still hadn't heard about it. 35 years in prison for some empty magazines that became illegal a week prior when a law changed. Common fucking sense.

Bottom line, gun laws have not, and will not prevent mass shootings. They will, however, criminalize law abiding citizens. No gun laws in effect prevented Sandy Hook or any of the others, and nothing proposed since would have stopped any of the shootings that happened since. But they can destroy the lives of people who legally and responsibly own guns. You have shown your stance on this. Not only do you not give a shit, you are genuinely excited about it. So again, you and yours, care nothing about saving lives. You only use tragedies to pursue your goals of going after the gun crowd that you don't see eye to eye with. No different than the people who stand out in public and wave graphic pictures of aborted fetuses at you where your kids can see it.