MeyerLouie

Very doubtful...vastly different in size & shape. 'IF' DBC was up to speed on the gear, I'd be skeptical regarding putting much of anything in the reserve container or 'dummy chute'. They are by design very easy and quick to open, they basically are four flaps held closed by a couple of short/thin pins attached to a large heavy handle. The contents are what give it it's 'shape' and assist in keeping it close until needed. It would be pretty dicey trying to pack it with bundles and HOPE the pins stay put & keep it closed securely. _____________________________________________ Thanks for the information. I had a feeling you were going to say that. I saw 377's demo at the 2012 Symposium (shape and size of a parachute) and I know the size and shape of typical brifefcases, so I figured the fit would not be there. It's literally like trying to fit a big square into a smaller round hole. In addition, it seems that negotiating the awkward shape of the briefcase would be a bit of a challenge. So, there's lots of discussion, and several pictures, of how Cooper might have attached the moneybag to his person, but few have really discusses or reconciled what happened to the briefcase (and dummy chute for that matter). If Cooper didn't toss the briefcase, what's feasible then for how he might have carried it with him? That is, in your expert opinion, do you think it's likely that Cooper took the briefcase with him, and if so, how? I pose the same question to 377 as well. Same question for the dummy chute -- without the "D' rings, is it likely he took that reserve chute with him? Earlier, I conjectured that maybe he tied the dummy chute onto himself just to have material for fashiioning some sort of lean-to, pancho, and/or foot protection after landing. No one really responded to that notion, so I'm gathering it's a bit far-fetched. In short, what is the likelihood of Cooper packing along the briefcase and/or the dummy chute? That is, what is the likelihood he took both, neither, or one of the two? MeyerLouie _______________________________________________ I was hoping to get a response to my questions here from the experts. What would Cooper have had to do to take the briefcase and/or dummy chute with him? What is the likelihood he took these items? You've stated your opinion Blevins, I want to hear from the experts. This is getting tiresome -- it's turned into the 'Robert Blevins Show.' He butts in, takes over, steals the thunder, steals the show with his pages and pages of non-expert, uninformed posts. In so doing, it seems then that other people on the forum don't feel compelled to jump in and lend their expertise and knowledge. Because of him, good, smart, courteous, skilled, somewhat shy people are not contributing. In short, we are not getting the full perspective of knowledge, expertise, and information -- because of him. I can't even ask a legitimate question about the case without Blevins butting in and throwing in his 20 paragraphs worth. He kills the spirit here, he's discourteous, and he's rude. It's getting real old. MeyerLouie

______________________________________________ Haven't got your 25% in, huh Blevins? Got to kill some network time, as if you don't already with your uninformed comments about most everything. MeyerLouie

Then Blevins, the non-expert, steps in and has more to say about the subject than the expert. Only Blevins would do that. Blevins, you're a goldfish trying to swim upstream with the salmon. Go back to the sandbox, junior...' Say there, smart guy. Let me know when you finish editing more than fifty books, write five of your own, do an illustrated sci-fi mag, run a publishing company...and in your spare time create 500 illustrated articles on subjects from A to Z...and then get more than 3 million visitors to those articles. (Google Analytics data) (If you wish, you can look below and take a peek at what I call The First 48. I got plenty 'o smarts, my friend. ) Then you can tell me to go to the sandbox. LOL. Get real. I didn't just fall off the apple cart, you know. You keep on flappin', but I don't hear anything coming out that makes much sense. Not lately. _______________________________________________ All that experience, but not one ounce of credibility. How do it know? What you know means little when you keep spouting off ridiculous conclusions about things you don't know. Maybe stick with what you know, you might get more respect. MeyerLouie

Thank you Professor Blevins. I'll pass, I prefer to listen to the experts on this topic. MeyerLouie

Very doubtful...vastly different in size & shape. 'IF' DBC was up to speed on the gear, I'd be skeptical regarding putting much of anything in the reserve container or 'dummy chute'. They are by design very easy and quick to open, they basically are four flaps held closed by a couple of short/thin pins attached to a large heavy handle. The contents are what give it it's 'shape' and assist in keeping it close until needed. It would be pretty dicey trying to pack it with bundles and HOPE the pins stay put & keep it closed securely. _____________________________________________ Thanks for the information. I had a feeling you were going to say that. I saw 377's demo at the 2012 Symposium (shape and size of a parachute) and I know the size and shape of typical brifefcases, so I figured the fit would not be there. It's literally like trying to fit a big square into a smaller round hole. In addition, it seems that negotiating the awkward shape of the briefcase would be a bit of a challenge. So, there's lots of discussion, and several pictures, of how Cooper might have attached the moneybag to his person, but few have really discusses or reconciled what happened to the briefcase (and dummy chute for that matter). If Cooper didn't toss the briefcase, what's feasible then for how he might have carried it with him? That is, in your expert opinion, do you think it's likely that Cooper took the briefcase with him, and if so, how? I pose the same question to 377 as well. Same question for the dummy chute -- without the "D' rings, is it likely he took that reserve chute with him? Earlier, I conjectured that maybe he tied the dummy chute onto himself just to have material for fashiioning some sort of lean-to, pancho, and/or foot protection after landing. No one really responded to that notion, so I'm gathering it's a bit far-fetched. In short, what is the likelihood of Cooper packing along the briefcase and/or the dummy chute? That is, what is the likelihood he took both, neither, or one of the two? MeyerLouie

Very doubtful...vastly different in size & shape. 'IF' DBC was up to speed on the gear, I'd be skeptical regarding putting much of anything in the reserve container or 'dummy chute'. They are by design very easy and quick to open, they basically are four flaps held closed by a couple of short/thin pins attached to a large heavy handle. The contents are what give it it's 'shape' and assist in keeping it close until needed. It would be pretty dicey trying to pack it with bundles and HOPE the pins stay put & keep it closed securely. Yes...and if he had done this, there where is the limited amount of nylon that would have been inside? Or whatever this trainer was stuffed with. Not found on plane. I keep wondering whether Cooper just tossed the reserve unopened out of the plane, and if so, why it has never been discovered. My understanding is that it couldn't be attached to another chute harness. You have to wonder about that. And the briefcase? Not found either. On the money bag: Only thing for sure is that Cooper was seen tying some paracord around his waist, just before Mucklow closed the curtain. After that...? ____________________________________________ Let's see now, I asked for an expert opinion, and got it (thanks for the clarification, Airtwardo about the briefcase and dummy chute). Then Blevins, the non-expert, steps in and has more to say about the subject than the expert. Only Blevins would do that. Blevins, you're a goldfish trying to swim upstream with the salmon. Go back to the sandbox, junior. MeyerLouie

Let me clue you in. Grace Slick was the best contralto voice to ever come out of 60's R&R. And pretty, too. Defending her further would be as pointless as your comment. This is Grace today. I especially like the part where she admits she planned to slip LSD to Nixon. God knows, he might have lightened up a bit and ended Vietnam sooner, had she been successful. _____________________________________________ Or your taste in music totally sucks.

Point of Order: I *think* Mucklow only saw him tying lines around the money bag, and another around his waist. I don't recall anything about Mucklow actually seeing him secure the money to his chest. If what I said there is true, then this could mean Cooper was planning on jumping with the money secured somewhat like the picture I have attached. I still wonder if Cooper might have just pulled the ripcord at the end of the stairs. One reason: No reserve chute. However, without a reserve...this could also mean Cooper DID tie the money to his chest. Who knows? The point here is I don't believe Mucklow saw him do that. well, first of all, I was talking about the fact of Cooper tying the money to himself, if this was true, then the lower chest area would be the best way. it's entirely possible he tethered the line. smokejumpers seem to put the pouch just underneath the reserve, it's the only logical place, other than a tether. either way, I don't believe it proves a smokejumpers move... you are probably correct about Tina only seeing him tying something around his waist/chest...I think he had almost 80 feet of line? 79 and change if not mistaken....I think all of the smokejumpers I have seen have a reserve chute. _______________________________________________ While Cooper is making room for the moneybag -- where did he put the briefcase and dummy chute? Is it possible DBC put the briefcase in the dummy chute, strapped it on in front, tethered the moneybag below, and of course had the main chute behind. This might explain why he took the dummy chute -- to carry the briefcase. To the experts now, is this arrangement possble? Would he have been able to make enough room in the dummy chute to squeeze in, or lock in, the briiefcase (if he really had a bomb in the briefcase, taking it and squeezing it in might be a big gamble, but if the bomb was a fake, then it wouldn't be a concern -- he would then have some nice road flares to start a fire). MeyerLouie

Guess you missed the part where I said they ALREADY caught him. I suggested he should be questioned. Seemed like a reasonable thought, since he hit a house less than two blocks from Cossey's place. _______________________________________________ And what the f**k does that accoomplish? They caught a common burglar in the neighborhood. When they ask, "Did you kill that guy a couple of blocks away?", what's he going to say? "Yes, Occifer, I did it." Pathetic line of reasoning. So what? MeyerLouie _______________________________________________ Meyer Louie also says: ***'There's a lot more I want to say about this, but, unlike someone I know, I'm going to practice restraint and reserve comment...' Slightly hypocritical statement. You've suggested previously he could have been murdered, or set up for murder, by his ex-wife. I wouldn't call that 'restraint'. ______________________________________________ And what have you suggested? Read below...all you have created is a 'tangled web.' Of what? You're damn straight I've suggested murder, because Cossey was murdered, and it's not yet determined by whom or why. Since no one knows what really happened, and since you, and others, have taken liberty to speculate, it's entirely legit for me to speculate about possibilities -- murder for hire, Mrs. Cossey, other Cossey family members, the gambling lead, random act, greed and money -- it's all fair game. Earlier, I speculated that because the murder was committed in Cossey's garage, it may mean the murder was personal and planned, hence premeditated -- not some "ordinary" burglar who would rather run than kill (you can't seem to distinguish between these two types of burglary -- Cossey's burglar may very well have had murder on his or her mind) And Blevins, I don't really care if you don't like my speculations, or if they violate your sense of feasible-ness and morality. I'll say it again, Blevins, real slow this time: Law enforcment is going to check out all leads -- whether you think so or not, and that includes Mrs. Cossey. It's SOP. Closest family members are always at the top of suspect list. I assure you, investigators will ask all the questions: What financial arrangements existed between her and Earl? What policies were in place that affected both? Who stood the most to gain? I also wonder about Cossey getting murdered a year after his divorce, after a marriage that had lasted years and years. Uncanny timing, or is it coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. It's going to all be investigated, whether you think so or not, whether you like it or not. Moreover, I have just as much right to speculate as you do. I don't need your approval. Now go out and play. MeyerLouie _______________________________________________ Blevins 'tangled web' never leads anywhere ... but to more tangled webs of abstraction. Who is Blevins trying to convince of what!? Does it ever matter? _______________________________________________ That's right, Blevins is, the big to-do'er-of-nothing. MeyerLouie

I'm keeping track of the Cossey case, but not investigating it. I think Bruce Smith would be better suited to do the contact. He's already done a couple of articles lately on Cossey at Mountain News. _______________________________________________ Boy, Blevins, sounds like you are on top of things with the Cossey case. Let's hope they catch that burglar down the road a couple of blocks away and get to the bottom of all those burglaries in the neigborhood. Let me deflect to someone else -- I think I've got your story down cold, Occifer Blevins. Bruce, paging Bruce Smith -- Man About Town, Journalist Extrordinaire -- The man who said, after watching one of Blevins' Auburn plays, "I've seen better acting in 'Fast Actin' Tenactin"; The guy who kept asking the waitress for a 'quickie' -- she said, "It's quiche!"; The guy who reported the number one question asked by college graduates today -- "Would you like fries with that, sir?" Yeah -- that's what I'm talkin' about! That guy -- Bruce Smith! Seriously now: Bruce, I re-read your article about the Cossey report. I happen to notice you said news sources reported Cossey was killed in his garage. If so, my viewing of several 'forensic files' episodes said garages are notorious for being crime scene locations for homicides? f so, it might indicate premeditation. The so called burglary, then, would not be one of the "ordinary" neighborhood burglaries that Blevins has been obsessed with in all his posts. Rather, we might have a burglary that was planned and personal. Any thoughts or new information about that? There's a lot more I want to say about this, but, unlike someone I know, I'm going to practice restraint and reserve comment. MeyerLouie

Okay. When the going gets tough, the tough go to an oldies concert and worry about the rest later. _______________________________________________ What??!! When the going gets tough, the tough deflect. When the rubber meets the road, Blevins, change the subject. By the way, I never did like the lead singer of Jefferson Airplane, not once, ever. MeyerLouie

Blevins wrote: ]How do you KNOW it was a personal issue with Cossey? You don't know. .... __________________________________________________ You just can't help yourself -- your outrageous, ridiculous statements never end. Maybe you didn't hear... Mr. Cossey was killed from blunt force trauma. Somebody struck Mr. Cossey and killed him. Now, if that isn't personal, then I don't know what is??!! What an idiotic statement, Blevins! MeyerLouie

Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so. _______________________________________________ Well, we can only hope that you are right about jets flying off-course won't be crashing into each other all the time. Maybe you should go a step further and suggest that there is no need for air traffic controllers or radar. Sort of an 'Every Pilot for Himself' system instead. Good News: We could save a lot from the Federal budget. Bad News: People dodging the falling aircraft parts each time they go outside. LOL. You are truly funny sometimes. ______________________________________________ Yeah, but you're lacking the brain cells to truly understand what people with real experience, skills, and knowledge are trying to tell you. You know nothing about radar, air traffic control, or true direction/wind speed/vector addition -- but that doesn't keep you from talking. All you're doing is making a horse's ass of yourself. Most people try to have some sense of competence and credibility. MeyerLouie

_______________________________________________ I noticed in your sample reports that no one was reported murdered. Sounds like these thieves were only interested in stealing things and had little intention to do any bodily harm. Remember what was said earlier, Blevins -- most burglars are runners, not killers. Your examples here seem to verify that. And what do these burglaries have in common with the Cossey burglary that ended up with a homicide? Once again Blevins, agpples and oranges. What do your examples verify or substantiate in relation to what we know about the Cossey case -- besides next to nothing? MeyerLouie

You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote I tend to think the gambling is a lead to follow especially if he was known (by certain people!) to keep cash around. $25k would be enough for someone doing something stupid and if caught by Coss then a struggle and any old guy would get the worst of it ... what a sad tale whatever it is! Good luck with it - ... Never take more than $40 to a casino! The meal should be $20 and that leaves $20 for the penny slots. You can sit and sip two beers and raise hell all night and have a wonderful time on $20! And be sober to drive home avoiding deer, smelling the fresh midnight air all the way home, looking for ufo's, and listening to Dolly Parton on the radio - life can be good! _______________________________________________ I too think the gambling lead is the most promising -- but when you talk to Blevins, you have to lay it all out -- you have to type real slow and talk really loud. Gambling, lots of stashed cash in house -- I'd say that's a promising lead. But you can bet investigators are checking out all possibiliites. Family are usually at the top of the list. Heaven forbid, the blasphemy of it all -- to even name a Cossey family member as a possible suspect. I don't mean to be disrespectful to the Cossey family, but homicide investigators are checking them out, first. It's SOP -- as I said earlier. I also think the case is going to be solved -- maybe sooner than we think. MeyerLouie

MeyerLouie says in part: Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so. _______________________________________________ I'm talking about your off-the-cuff responses to topics you have no knowledge of. You just spout off, saying ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed things like airplanes flying off course will be running into each other all the time. You do it all the time, Blevins. That's what I mean by "unsubstantiated." MeyerLouie

You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie

Clancy Crossroader commented on Update on the murder of Earl Cossey, an analysis of his role in the DB Cooper case "I've known Coss for over 30 years, there's not a chance in hell his murder had anything to do with DB Cooper. Coss was a well known gambler, he loved action, on all sports games and played cards numerous times every week. He was an aggresive player and former math teacher. He was also financially secure with quite a few rentals and a property management company. I was surprised to hear he got divorced last year, but even if his property was cut in two he still owns has plenty of assets and his income from his teachers retiement, social security, property management and whatever rentals he retained. A cardroom scumbag killed Coss, or someone who knew he kept cash around for his daily gambling. I haven't played cards with Coss for a while, but guess he had between $5,000 and $25,000 in his cash bankroll. A wonderful person who toyed with everyone, he didn't suffer fools gladly." _____________________________________________ Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud.... MeyerLouie

_______________________________________________ What about that? Seems like a reasonable question when you look at basic vector addition in terms of navigation. MeyerLouie

Sometimes people "disappear" and they could be closer than you would have ever imagined. _____________________________________________ All the more reason we need Blevins to get off his boney ass and get that search party organized! MeyerLouie

Don't you think the air traffic controllers and their radar would have noticed that? And in noticing that, the flight path map would have been adjusted? In your 'maybe they just got blown off course' world, planes would be doing mid-air collisions pretty regularly. I think the flight sim experiment being done by Shutter is a good thing, and could reveal much. However, one thing it CAN'T do is have two-way com with people on the ground who are tracking it by radar and giving the usual updates. So in this one way, it is limited. But only in this one way. _______________________________________________ You jumped all over 4 topics in one little paragraph. Focus dude, get back on the decaffeinated coffee -- one thing at a time. MrShutter45 said he noticed beng blown off course, Ratz also commented about being blown off course a bit. Remember reading that, or is it terminal amnesia for you? We were discussing why that happened, and evidence to indicate possible error in the LZ and search area. So, getting blown off course is going to cause plane crashes all over the place? Ever study vectors in relation to wind speed, wind direction, true direction, and actual ground speed of aircraft? Example: If you are flying from, say, LA to Seattle, and the jet stream is coming in pretty strong from due west, then the plane is not going to end up in Seattle if the pilot sets a due norh bearing. The jet stream is going to force the aircraft easterly, and the aircraft is going to end up in a place like Bozeman, MT. not Seattle. The pilot will have to set a true direction north by northwest if he/she wants to end up in Seattle. Pilots make these adjustments due to wind and weather all the time. In a sense, planes frequently and purposely fly off course (true direction) to arrive at the desired destination when wind becomes an issue. Basic navigation 101, Blevins. It's a simple addition of vectors. Planes are not going to be crashing into each other all the time. That's silly! MeyerLouie _______________________________________________ I don't think the problem is with the map. It's where Cooper jumped along that map. There is no solid evidence, even after more than four decades, that indicates it was inaccurate. ______________________________________________ I beg to differ. Actually there is evidence to indicate the exact opposite. What evidence do we have to indicate inaccuracy? The evidence we have is that there is no evidence. None of the items in Cooper's possession were ever found in the search area. You said a little earlier that one would think something would have turned up by now. Even Mr. H has admitted the search area was not correct. So, there is the possibility of error. Cooper may not have jumped when we think he did. The evidence -- the fact that there isn't any -- may indicate this is a possibility. That's all -- no more, no less. MeyerLouie _______________________________________________ Cooper was smart to send Mucklow forward. As we see now, even a three-minute window of doubt on the jump point means many square miles of search area. Establishing exactly when the flight engineer saw the stair indicator light flash OFF for that little moment will probably give you the moment that Cooper actually jumped from the plane. But even if you narrow it down to a single minute during the flight, this still leaves a three-mile corridor and the usual possibilities for drift. Because any information regarding this light will never be narrowed down to something WITHIN that minute, the exact jump point can never be known. Best you'll ever do is that three mile corridor, and even establishing that is difficult. _______________________________________________ I've bolded two of your statements -- they seem contradictory. That's an irregular thing for you. MeyerLouie

_______________________________________________ I think even Mr. H has acknowledges that the FBI had it wrong -- the search area. Only one iota of anything was ever found (no parachute, no streamer, no briefcase, no moneybag, no loafers -- just the aft door placard) in the search area, and it's been said more than once, "You'd think something would have turned up by now." This is evidence (that's right, the lack of it) that Cooper most likely didn't jump here. Whatever algorithm or procedure was used to determine the jump zone, it was wrong. So, something is amiss. Moreover, the money find at Tena Bar might also indicate the calculations were off -- like maybe by quite a bit way off. Might Cooper have ended up more south and more east than what was originally estimated? Did we get faked out by that pressure bump? Entirely possible...... MeyerLouie Correct, I was just saying that to Blevins since he thought everyone knew everything about where Cooper jumped. if we have a skew in the time frames we can narrow things down. many think he went into the water, perhaps he did if something is wrong somewhere in the path. I just don't know at this moment. I can tell you that if I take off at 7:36:33 and the wind and temps are set properly and I follow exactly as they did leveling at 7,000 with flaps at 30, speed 160, then continue a while until I start the climb to 10,000 back at 15 flaps and around 170. I arrive at Toledo at 7:59. I have flown this part of the path dozens of times. I'm working on other parts of the leg following Toledo. I also get blown off course just as Rat explained. the hard part is being the pilot, co-pilot and engineer all at the same time, watching my speed, course, time, fuel etc. not easy my friend. I need a co-pilot with me keep in mind the place card was found some 25 KM from the supposed LZ...... _____________________________________________ Good information, Mrshutter45. Sounds like you need a couple of more hands. Your work is fascinating, it just may help answer some of those burning questions. You've already mentioned getting blown off course. That in itself could be significant. I don't have map in front of me right now, but I'm wondering just how close you are to the Columbia River gorge (the stretch of the River directly east of the Portland/Washougal area for several miles along the river, going east). I was in the Gorge that night, the wind was fierce. I'm wondering if 305 could have been close enough to the start of the Gorge to have been affected by the severe winds that were blowing through there that night. Might that have affected the flight path? I don't know how close an aircraft would have to be to the Columbia River Gorge to be affected by its severe side winds and wind shears. If so, then it might mean 305 was further south and further east than was originally thought. I do have to make one more point -- just because we haven't found a body or a parachute or a briefcase does not mean they're not there. And just because we have not found any of the Cooper stuff does not mean the flight path or jump zone was all wrong. Since none of the Cooper goods were found, it may be evidence, or a possible indication anyway, that something is amiss. That's all I'm saying. I think your work may very well help us get to the bottom of it. I wish you well, and if there's anything I could possibly do to help, please do not hesitate to ask. MeyerLouie

I'm not setting out to discredit anything, but we have issues here that don't seem to fall into place. the best thing I can think of is to rerun the flight path.....no? does the FBI still believe in the original search area? _______________________________________________ I think even Mr. H has acknowledges that the FBI had it wrong -- the search area. Only one iota of anything was ever found (no parachute, no streamer, no briefcase, no moneybag, no loafers -- just the aft door placard) in the search area, and it's been said more than once, "You'd think something would have turned up by now." This is evidence (that's right, the lack of it) that Cooper most likely didn't jump here. Whatever algorithm or procedure was used to determine the jump zone, it was wrong. So, something is amiss. Moreover, the money find at Tena Bar might also indicate the calculations were off -- like maybe by quite a bit way off. Might Cooper have ended up more south and more east than what was originally estimated? Did we get faked out by that pressure bump? Entirely possible...... MeyerLouie

_____________________________________________ How is this possibly a news flash? We dont' know anything beyond Cossey being murdered and we have no suspects -- apparently. I think I heard this a week ago. Why don't you wait until something really comes before telling us a whole lot of nothing new? It's like watching breaking news on local TV -- you get the same old information re-hashed over and over again -- sometimes for hours. MeyerLouie

Pretty much. Unless you have an actual point or something. I hate to do this to you, but I would like a vote on something non-Cooper. Do you think that THIS is the best version of a certain famous song? Or THIS version. First thing I would check is the time stamp, to see who dedicated more effort to the rendition. Call me stupid, but I'm going for the blonde. I've always been a sucker for blondes.