Sadcat 0 #1 February 27, 2005 I'm jumping a Stiletto 135 and it's a very good canopy, but it's old ( lots of jumps ) and I want to buy a new canopy. I want to know if the Crossfire2 129 has lighter front riser pressure, and bigger bottom end flare. If this is true is it significative. And about the pack volume, who packs bigger. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #2 February 28, 2005 I've jumped a couple different Stiletto 170s for a couple hundred jumps and I've been jumping a XF2 149 for the past few hundred jumps. Overall I would say that the XF2 has a lighter front riser pressure and it builds more slowly then the Stiletto's. As for flare, both canopies have a lot of flare power on the bottom end, they're different from each other though. I would rather jump a XF2 then a stiletto, but I'd say demo a Vengence and a Sam as well...jump everything in your skill range and see what you like over all. Your best bet is to call Wyat up and get a demo to try it out.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhy 0 #3 February 28, 2005 I've never jumped a stiletto.. but I love my cf2 (129). The front riser pressure is light as - much lighter than anything else I've jumped. It is very responsive, got a great flare and lots of lift on a front riser landing as well as conservative (less speedy) approaches. Not sure about the packing volume but you can always find out from the manufacturers.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #4 February 28, 2005 What canopies are you comparing the riser pressure to?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites xpug 0 #5 February 28, 2005 I've only 50 jumps on it, but I love the Crossfire. I agree with AggieDave on the front riser pressure (demo'd a CF 2 150 and compared to my Stiletto 150 on 90-360 degree turns). I also prefer the Crossfire's more gentle opening characteristics. Ref pack volume; the Icarus charts say the Crossfire 139 pack volume is 386 cubic inches. The PIA chart for the Stiletto 150 is 364. However, I went from a Stiletto 150 to a Crossfire 2 139 in the same container. The Crossfire pack size is roughly the same as, and certainly no bigger, than the Stiletto. So, based on that, a CF 129 should pack perhaps a little bigger than a Stiletto 135. Hope that helps, you could always order a 124 to be sure! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites supafly 0 #6 February 28, 2005 Having recently trasitioned from a Stiletto to a XF2 I agree with everything that has been said here (lighter riser pressure, great openings, etc...). Another thing to point out is recovery arc. Expect it to be longer. Even with this in mind as I worked up to bigger turns, I still found this catching me off guard a couple times. My Stiletto (1.3 WL) planed out real quick with little or no input. Not the case with my XF2. Granted, I have been jumping mostly at a higher wing loading, but I started with a XF2 similarly loaded. --KeithArizona Drive 4-Way VFS - www.DriveVFS.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #7 February 28, 2005 QuoteStiletto (1.3 WL) planed out real quick with little or no input. Not the case with my XF2. The XF2 109 I jumped plane out just fine with little to no input. It has a much longer recovery arc for sure, but it will still level out on it's own. Of course whether letting it do that is the most efficient way to fly it is entirely up for debate Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
AggieDave 6 #2 February 28, 2005 I've jumped a couple different Stiletto 170s for a couple hundred jumps and I've been jumping a XF2 149 for the past few hundred jumps. Overall I would say that the XF2 has a lighter front riser pressure and it builds more slowly then the Stiletto's. As for flare, both canopies have a lot of flare power on the bottom end, they're different from each other though. I would rather jump a XF2 then a stiletto, but I'd say demo a Vengence and a Sam as well...jump everything in your skill range and see what you like over all. Your best bet is to call Wyat up and get a demo to try it out.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhy 0 #3 February 28, 2005 I've never jumped a stiletto.. but I love my cf2 (129). The front riser pressure is light as - much lighter than anything else I've jumped. It is very responsive, got a great flare and lots of lift on a front riser landing as well as conservative (less speedy) approaches. Not sure about the packing volume but you can always find out from the manufacturers.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #4 February 28, 2005 What canopies are you comparing the riser pressure to?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xpug 0 #5 February 28, 2005 I've only 50 jumps on it, but I love the Crossfire. I agree with AggieDave on the front riser pressure (demo'd a CF 2 150 and compared to my Stiletto 150 on 90-360 degree turns). I also prefer the Crossfire's more gentle opening characteristics. Ref pack volume; the Icarus charts say the Crossfire 139 pack volume is 386 cubic inches. The PIA chart for the Stiletto 150 is 364. However, I went from a Stiletto 150 to a Crossfire 2 139 in the same container. The Crossfire pack size is roughly the same as, and certainly no bigger, than the Stiletto. So, based on that, a CF 129 should pack perhaps a little bigger than a Stiletto 135. Hope that helps, you could always order a 124 to be sure! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supafly 0 #6 February 28, 2005 Having recently trasitioned from a Stiletto to a XF2 I agree with everything that has been said here (lighter riser pressure, great openings, etc...). Another thing to point out is recovery arc. Expect it to be longer. Even with this in mind as I worked up to bigger turns, I still found this catching me off guard a couple times. My Stiletto (1.3 WL) planed out real quick with little or no input. Not the case with my XF2. Granted, I have been jumping mostly at a higher wing loading, but I started with a XF2 similarly loaded. --KeithArizona Drive 4-Way VFS - www.DriveVFS.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #7 February 28, 2005 QuoteStiletto (1.3 WL) planed out real quick with little or no input. Not the case with my XF2. The XF2 109 I jumped plane out just fine with little to no input. It has a much longer recovery arc for sure, but it will still level out on it's own. Of course whether letting it do that is the most efficient way to fly it is entirely up for debate Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
