superman0710 0 #1 May 10, 2005 coming in for my landing on my AFF level 4 i noticed a tandem instructor on final about 50 feet above me. Since i was unsure about right of way (lower person has the right of way; but are tandems an exception?) i decided that i'll stick to my landing pattern versus risking a low turn. Incidentally the tandem master had to alter his flight plan. When we landed i learned the golden rule that if you're coming in from the right half of the field, land there; vice versa for the left half. tandem master was really cool about it telling me "don't worry, we've all been there" he complimented me on my accuracy and landing and then we headed for the bus. a bit embarrasing but just a reminder to all to KNOW the air traffic and landing patterns of your drop zone and any you visit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo 11 #2 May 10, 2005 Quote When we landed i learned the golden rule that if you're coming in from the right half of the field, land there; vice versa for the left half. Quote There ya go... Your learning. I was given an LZ walk around during FJS that showed me how to use the area. I assumed it was standard practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #3 May 10, 2005 Quotebut are tandems an exception? Tandem should have the right of way for any landing pattern on final aproach, as they are LESS manuverable then any other canopy in the pattern. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #4 May 10, 2005 QuoteTandem should have the right of way for any landing pattern on final aproach, as they are LESS manuverable then any other canopy in the pattern. Yes so guys like me (so called experienced fun jumpers) do need to give the tandem the right of way. But Superman0710 did the right thing at his entry level experience level not doing a panic low turn all because the tandem was above him. I'm glad you didn't pound Superman0710. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #5 May 10, 2005 QuoteI'm glad you didn't pound Superman0710 There was no need to. Everyone landed safe and he learned something new. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tombuch 0 #6 May 10, 2005 Quote Quotebut are tandems an exception? Tandem should have the right of way for any landing pattern on final aproach, as they are LESS manuverable then any other canopy in the pattern. In theory, a tandem should be given the right of way, but when a tandem instructor and a student are conflicting, the tandem instructor should fly defensively and yield to the student. Remember, the tandem instructor knows what he is doing, and can actually maneuver very easily. The student is a huge unknown, and at least while the conflict is happening, shouldn't be expected to do anything to avoid the problem. In this case it looks like the student didn't know what to do, so the instructor altered his course. They chatted about it later, and the student learned. Good work on the part of both! For a bit more discussion about right of way and avoidance, see Article 12 "Landing Direction Defined" at http://ranchskydive.com/safety/index.htm. Some of it is specific to The Ranch, but there is a good deal that applies to any drop zone. .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #7 May 10, 2005 A while ago I learned to stay away from the tandems. Not long ago after a high altitude hop n' pop, I was setup over our swoop course and a tandem was directly below me over the entry gates. I aborted the swoop of course and wasn't happy at the lost opportunity (people shouldn't be over flying the swoop course). But in that time I learned that I wasn't innocent on this lost swoop. It was my fault for not timing my entry into the pattern so as to ensure myself and tandems are not in the same sky low to the ground at the same time. One skill people need to learn especially when they are jumping at large turbine aircraft DZs is to look at who is getting on the airplane, what sort of jump are they doing, what sort of canopy do they fly and what kind of landing will they make. Sometimes it makes sense (for those of us jumping high performance canopies doing high performance flight) to be the first one down. Sometimes is makes sense to try and hang in brakes. And sometimes it makes sense to find your window somewhere in the middle. Being a proactive canopy pilot is the name of the game. Don't just let things happen up there. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
bodypilot1 0 #3 May 10, 2005 Quotebut are tandems an exception? Tandem should have the right of way for any landing pattern on final aproach, as they are LESS manuverable then any other canopy in the pattern. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 May 10, 2005 QuoteTandem should have the right of way for any landing pattern on final aproach, as they are LESS manuverable then any other canopy in the pattern. Yes so guys like me (so called experienced fun jumpers) do need to give the tandem the right of way. But Superman0710 did the right thing at his entry level experience level not doing a panic low turn all because the tandem was above him. I'm glad you didn't pound Superman0710. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #5 May 10, 2005 QuoteI'm glad you didn't pound Superman0710 There was no need to. Everyone landed safe and he learned something new. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #6 May 10, 2005 Quote Quotebut are tandems an exception? Tandem should have the right of way for any landing pattern on final aproach, as they are LESS manuverable then any other canopy in the pattern. In theory, a tandem should be given the right of way, but when a tandem instructor and a student are conflicting, the tandem instructor should fly defensively and yield to the student. Remember, the tandem instructor knows what he is doing, and can actually maneuver very easily. The student is a huge unknown, and at least while the conflict is happening, shouldn't be expected to do anything to avoid the problem. In this case it looks like the student didn't know what to do, so the instructor altered his course. They chatted about it later, and the student learned. Good work on the part of both! For a bit more discussion about right of way and avoidance, see Article 12 "Landing Direction Defined" at http://ranchskydive.com/safety/index.htm. Some of it is specific to The Ranch, but there is a good deal that applies to any drop zone. .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #7 May 10, 2005 A while ago I learned to stay away from the tandems. Not long ago after a high altitude hop n' pop, I was setup over our swoop course and a tandem was directly below me over the entry gates. I aborted the swoop of course and wasn't happy at the lost opportunity (people shouldn't be over flying the swoop course). But in that time I learned that I wasn't innocent on this lost swoop. It was my fault for not timing my entry into the pattern so as to ensure myself and tandems are not in the same sky low to the ground at the same time. One skill people need to learn especially when they are jumping at large turbine aircraft DZs is to look at who is getting on the airplane, what sort of jump are they doing, what sort of canopy do they fly and what kind of landing will they make. Sometimes it makes sense (for those of us jumping high performance canopies doing high performance flight) to be the first one down. Sometimes is makes sense to try and hang in brakes. And sometimes it makes sense to find your window somewhere in the middle. Being a proactive canopy pilot is the name of the game. Don't just let things happen up there. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites