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Quotethe overwhelming majority are gang-on-gang shootings
Yes. Fuller Park and Garfield Park are rough places. I've read some stuff suggesting that handguns are now a greater percentage of murder weapons in Chicago.
And I am pretty disappointed that gang violence is viewed as a way to kinda minimize it. They are people, too.
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kallend 1,819
QuoteQuoteQuoteHandguns were banned in Chicago in 1982. Over 800 in 1990 isn't good - especially since the homicide rate in Chicago would not fall under 800 until 1996 (it hit almost 950 in 1992).
Note that Chicago also still has a higher murder rate that NYC. Though I believe that Bloomberg will do his best to close that margin.
Based on what I see in the local news, the overwhelming majority are gang-on-gang shootings. We certainly have a major league gang problem here, but fortunately for most Chicagoans it's restricted to a few neighborhoods. Not good if you happen to live in one of those neighborhoods, of course.
Seems to be a Gang and Criminal issue. not a Law abiding Gun Owner Issue.
Matt
Yes. Until the street gangs can be brought under control the homicide rate will continue to be high, regardless of much else. Fortunately for the law abiding (gun owner or not) the gang bangers are mostly offing each other.
Legalizing drugs would probably have a beneficial effect as it would take the profit out of the gang business.
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kallend 1,819
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe point I was trying to make was that in obama's hometown...where the gun control laws are most strict than anywhere else in the nation...didnt make much of a difference to the 500 people who were murdered.
I thought he was from Kenya?
So you don't know if there is causation or correlation, but you are bringing it forward as an example of such?
Homicide rate declined over 40% over 2 decades since 1990, but is now up significantly. The only change in gun laws is that a previous gun ban was overturned in June 2010. I'm NOT claiming cause and effect, but it certainly destroys regulator's implication.
During that same period, much of which Chicago led the nation with the most restrictive gun laws, the national murder rate declined by 52.94% while the rate in Chicago only decreased by 43.90%.
Me thinks that has a LOT to do with demographics and very little to do with gun control.
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And still way higher than during the Prohibition tommy-gun days.
But also see the big increase after the handgun ban.
To be fair, the nation as a whole saw an upswing in homicides between 1984 and 1991...largely as a result of the crack cocaine epidemic during that period.
kallend 1,819
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe point I was trying to make was that in obama's hometown...where the gun control laws are most strict than anywhere else in the nation...didnt make much of a difference to the 500 people who were murdered.
I thought he was from Kenya?
So you don't know if there is causation or correlation, but you are bringing it forward as an example of such?
Homicide rate declined over 40% over 2 decades since 1990, but is now up significantly. The only change in gun laws is that a previous gun ban was overturned in June 2010. I'm NOT claiming cause and effect, but it certainly destroys regulator's implication.
During that same period, much of which Chicago led the nation with the most restrictive gun laws, the national murder rate declined by 52.94% while the rate in Chicago only decreased by 43.90%.
Me thinks that has a LOT to do with demographics and very little to do with gun control.
Did I claim otherwise?
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kallend 1,819
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And still way higher than during the Prohibition tommy-gun days.
But also see the big increase after the handgun ban.
No, the ban was in 1982. The big increase was from 1960 - 1970.
And then big decrease before the ban was lifted in 2010. Now an increase.
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QuoteTo be fair, the nation as a whole saw an upswing in homicides between 1984 and 1991...largely as a result of the crack cocaine epidemic during that period.
Yeah. So we had a "Drug Czar" named William Bennett who decided to fight that problem by diverting attention to gang violence while letting the crackheads just die off.
Maybe we'll do the same this time, only with meth instead of coke.
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Seems to be a Gang and Criminal issue. not a Law abiding Gun Owner Issue.
Matt
So, start being safe, first!!!
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