wsd 0 #426 June 8, 2011 Do you have numbers of the actual KIA's by Israeli military or are you going to make the numbers up? It is not like they have targeted the population nor launched a full scale military operation against them, if they had there would not be any Palestinians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #427 June 8, 2011 QuoteOn 27 December 2008, without warning, Israeli forces began a devastating bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip codenamed Operation “Cast Lead”. Its stated aim was to end rocket attacks into Israel by armed groups affiliated with Hamas and other Palestinian factions. By 18 January 2009 some 1,400 Palestinians had been killed and large areas of Gaza had been razed to the ground. Amnesty International believes that the deaths of so many unarmed civilians and the manner in which they came under attack demand a thorough, independent and impartial investigation into the conduct of all parties in the conflict. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/015/2009/enstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #428 June 8, 2011 That is not "thousands and thousands" it also does not say whether they were suspected terrorists, bystanders or a mix of both. A devastating bombing campaign? Geez, AI must really be daft for them to believe that statement. That few deaths and it was a "devasting bombing campaign"? While Amnesty International might have good intentions they are often wrong and or blow things out of proportion. When they whine about convicted murderers needing to be released or whatever they poison their own message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #429 June 8, 2011 Did you ever wonder if the Palestinians got their media savvy from Baghdad Bob? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #430 June 8, 2011 Quote Did you ever wonder if the Palestinians got their media savvy from Baghdad Bob? Nope but DD did Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #431 June 8, 2011 QuoteThat is not "thousands and thousands" it also does not say whether they were suspected terrorists, bystanders or a mix of both. A devastating bombing campaign? Geez, AI must really be daft for them to believe that statement. That few deaths and it was a "devasting bombing campaign"? While Amnesty International might have good intentions they are often wrong and or blow things out of proportion. When they whine about convicted murderers needing to be released or whatever they poison their own message. 1400 in just one month.. happens pretty often Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #432 June 8, 2011 For those who don't want to read the whole thread, here's a summary: One side: Jews bad. Other side: Arabs bad. Any questions? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #433 June 11, 2011 slowly getting there... Quotethe Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat -- who visited Washington this week at the same time as the Israeli envoy Yitzhak Molcho, but for separate meetings with U.S. officials – said, “the Palestinians would accept those [Obama's] principles as a basis for negotiations, if the Israelis did - and now we are waiting to see whether the Israelis can do this. "And we are in very close consultations with Israel now on exactly this issue because the best outcome at this point would be to have both sides embrace these principles as a basis for negotiations, and flesh that out a little bit, and then be able to say to Europeans on one side, and to the Security Council on the other, and the Palestinians on the third side: 'Listen, at this point there is an alternative out there, there’s motion, we have principles that both sides have agreed on, we have a basis for talks, there is no need at this point to go to the UN. That’s where we want to be.” http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/white-house-waiting-for-netanyahu-to-accept-obama-s-peace-talk-principles-1.367071stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #434 June 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. This is a completely different thing. This is Syrian troops shooting Syrian citizens that oppose the government (been going on for weeks). Most likely the Syrian government is sending people to clash with Israel in an attempt to divert attention from its own internal clashes. Sometimes it's just too easy to figure these guys out. A leaked Syrian government document shows that the regime orchestrated last month’s border clashes with Israel edit to fix link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #435 June 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. This is a completely different thing. This is Syrian troops shooting Syrian citizens that oppose the government (been going on for weeks). Most likely the Syrian government is sending people to clash with Israel in an attempt to divert attention from its own internal clashes. Sometimes it's just too easy to figure these guys out. A leaked Syrian government document shows that the regime orchestrated last month’s border clashes with Israel edit to fix link this is just an allegation from israel (who of course would claim such a thing as it's in their interests) - do you have any sort of real proof? also do you think the syrian protesters being forced out of their homes and villages (as the israelis did to the palestinians in 1948) should be allowed back to their homes from their refugee camps in turkey - or should they be forced to stay in turkey as it's obvious they're not wanted in syria...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #436 June 15, 2011 more progress... QuoteThe European Parliament supports the creation of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, its president said Wednesday. It embraced the vision for peace in the Middle East outlined by US President Barack Obama in a May 19 address in Washington, European Parliament President Jerzy Buzek said. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/european-parliament-east-jerusalem-should-be-palestinian-capital-1.367891stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #437 June 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. This is a completely different thing. This is Syrian troops shooting Syrian citizens that oppose the government (been going on for weeks). Most likely the Syrian government is sending people to clash with Israel in an attempt to divert attention from its own internal clashes. Sometimes it's just too easy to figure these guys out. A leaked Syrian government document shows that the regime orchestrated last month’s border clashes with Israel edit to fix link this is just an allegation from israel (who of course would claim such a thing as it's in their interests) - do you have any sort of real proof? also do you think the syrian protesters being forced out of their homes and villages (as the israelis did to the palestinians in 1948) should be allowed back to their homes from their refugee camps in turkey - or should they be forced to stay in turkey as it's obvious they're not wanted in syria... Rhys/doi ... meet dream dancer... Can you popint him to your favorite nanothermite websites... fellow travelelrs and all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #438 June 15, 2011 QuoteFor those who don't want to read the whole thread, here's a summary: One side: Jews bad. Other side: Arabs bad. Any questions? A further optimization would be to just say: religion.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #439 June 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteFor those who don't want to read the whole thread, here's a summary: One side: Jews bad. Other side: Arabs bad. Any questions? A further optimization would be to just say: religion. Not quite. Judaism is a tribal identity with religious traditions, while Islam is an Universal Religion - huge difference. Just like someone can be Arab and Druse, Wahabi or Christian, someone can be a Jew with or without religious affiliation. The contention of Muhammad (may he rot in hell) was that Hebrews are the legitimate children of Abraham (via Isaac) while Arabs are from the bastard side of the family (via Ishmael). Since he tended to plagiarize shamelessly, and made up much to suit his purpose (in a manner akin to Joseph Smith), there may or may not be any substance to the claims. That the differences between Jews and Arabs amount to a family squabble between the civilized part of the family and the dueling-banjos side does fit. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #440 June 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteFor those who don't want to read the whole thread, here's a summary: One side: Jews bad. Other side: Arabs bad. Any questions? A further optimization would be to just say: religion. Not quite. Judaism is a tribal identity with religious traditions, while Islam is an Universal Religion - huge difference. Just like someone can be Arab and Druse, Wahabi or Christian, someone can be a Jew with or without religious affiliation. The contention of Muhammad (may he rot in hell) was that Hebrews are the legitimate children of Abraham (via Isaac) while Arabs are from the bastard side of the family (via Ishmael). Since he tended to plagiarize shamelessly, and made up much to suit his purpose (in a manner akin to Joseph Smith), there may or may not be any substance to the claims. That the differences between Jews and Arabs amount to a family squabble between the civilized part of the family and the dueling-banjos side does fit. BSBD, Winsor Bastards.. will be bastards... tis the way of the world. All that jealousy eats at them. The jealous are troublesome to others, but a torment to themselves. -William Penn, Some Fruits of Solitude, 1693 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #441 June 16, 2011 democracy at work... QuoteA recent poll by the U.S.-based Pew Research Center indicated that more than half of all Egyptians would like to see the 1979 peace treaty with Israel annulled, while only 36 percent of Egyptians are in favor of maintaining the treaty. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-egypt-s-al-karama-party-wants-to-cancel-peace-treaty-with-israel-1.368011stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #442 June 16, 2011 Quotedemocracy at work... QuoteA recent poll by the U.S.-based Pew Research Center indicated that more than half of all Egyptians would like to see the 1979 peace treaty with Israel annulled, while only 36 percent of Egyptians are in favor of maintaining the treaty. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-egypt-s-al-karama-party-wants-to-cancel-peace-treaty-with-israel-1.368011 uh, again I see you miss the true implications of this. If the mob can decide it no longer wants to abide by its peace treaties, made in good faith, then why would Israel put its trust in agreements that involve giving up it's buffer zones? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #443 June 16, 2011 that's not a mob - that's a majority...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #444 June 16, 2011 Quotethat's not a mob - that's a majority... Then I can think of them as radioactive fallout!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #445 June 16, 2011 Quotethat's not a mob - that's a majority... you think there is a difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #446 June 16, 2011 looks like israel will have to accept the us/eu peace deal or its bilateral treaties fall apart one by one...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #447 June 16, 2011 Quotelooks like israel will have to accept the us/eu peace deal or its bilateral treaties fall apart one by one... that's not quite how treaties work. You can always break one, but probably won't get to form a followup one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #448 June 16, 2011 best to accept the us/eu/un peace deal before that happens then...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #449 June 16, 2011 Quotebest to accept the us/eu/un peace deal before that happens then... you harbor this pretense there there is a deal in place, and that they have to accept it. They don't, and the UK and US veto powers protect them from the rest of the UN mob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #450 June 16, 2011 this being the un mob that created israel in the first place...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
