Party Crashers

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OTOH, if they lied about having an invite then they broke several laws.
If they are innocent, great. Learn from it and move on. But if they are guilty then they should be prosecuted.

Lying about having an invite is like lying to Congress. If you don't have a real charge to make, you use this weasel law.

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OTOH, if they lied about having an invite then they broke several laws.
If they are innocent, great. Learn from it and move on. But if they are guilty then they should be prosecuted.

Lying about having an invite is like lying to Congress. If you don't have a real charge to make, you use this weasel law.

So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in.

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So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in.

So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in.

So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want.

I think they should be rewarded for highlighting a very real flaw in White House security without doing any actual harm to anyone.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in.

So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want.

I think they should be rewarded for highlighting a very real flaw in White House security without doing any actual harm to anyone.

By that reasoning Lynette Fromme should have been let go free and rewarded handsomely. After all, her pistol didn't have a round chanbered, she didn't hurt anyone and pointed out flaws in the Services protection of the President.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in.

So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want.

I think they should be rewarded for highlighting a very real flaw in White House security without doing any actual harm to anyone.

By that reasoning Lynette Fromme should have been let go free and rewarded handsomely. After all, her pistol didn't have a round chanbered, she didn't hurt anyone and pointed out flaws in the Services protection of the President.

Isn't an attempted assassination considered to be "illegal"? I still haven't heard what law(s) the "party crashers" have broken. I'm not even sure that lying to a secret service agent is illegal if it's not made during the course of an investigation. Maybe the whole thing could have been avoided if people who were paid to do a job actually did that job. Just check their IDs. Even the bouncer at your local jook joint can do that.

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Whether they broke any laws depends on what they told security. If they lied, it is a felony. I doubt if the Service will take it as lightly as people here on SC

18 U.S.C. § 1001 provides that:
[w]hoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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So now the laws being used to protect the President and Vice-President ar "weasel laws".
Nice.

Yep - if they are invoked in this case. 99% weasel, with 1% of chickenshit thrown in.

So you think there should be no penalty for sneaking into a state dinner at the White House without an invitation? Maybe we should just do away with all laws you think are "chickenshit" or "weasel" then anybody could do pretty much whatever they want wherever they want and whenever they want.

I think they should be rewarded for highlighting a very real flaw in White House security without doing any actual harm to anyone.

By that reasoning Lynette Fromme should have been let go free and rewarded handsomely. After all, her pistol didn't have a round chanbered, she didn't hurt anyone and pointed out flaws in the Services protection of the President.

INTENT, dear boy.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Intent indeed, Prof.
Since Squeaky didn't have a round chambered it could be argued that she had no intent on killing or hurting anybody.
Intent indeed.
If the crashers did not have an invite then they went to the White House fully intent on breaking the law. That is, unless you propose anybody could or would assume crashing a state dinner at the White House would not be illegal in any way.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[muff528 3]

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Whether they broke any laws depends on what they told security. If they lied, it is a felony. I doubt if the Service will take it as lightly as people here on SC

18 U.S.C. § 1001 provides that:
[w]hoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States (A) knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or (B) makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or (C) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both

hmmm....if this is the section that would apply....Then (C) might apply if they presented a forged or fake invitation or ID. (B) might apply if they actually lied with their mouths when asked any question by the bouncer at the WH. The interesting one is (A) - covering up a material fact (the fact that they were not invited). Assuming they were not asked if they were invited and were asked only their names and they then showed their actual IDs to verify that, did they cover up the fact that they were not invited guests by their silence ? Are they required to volunteer that information, even if they were not specifically asked? And, that still doesn't address the problem of the failure of the verification process by the doorman.

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Intent indeed, Prof.
Since Squeaky didn't have a round chambered it could be argued that she had no intent on killing or hurting anybody.
Intent indeed.
If the crashers did not have an invite then they went to the White House fully intent on breaking the law. That is, unless you propose anybody could or would assume crashing a state dinner at the White House would not be illegal in any way.

Actually, that is the question. Is crashing a state dinner illegal in it's own right? (It must be codified somewhere.) Or are the some of the "things" one must do to be able to crash the dinner the actual crimes. I'm just asking.

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Whether they broke any laws depends on what they told security. If they lied, it is a felony. I doubt if the Service will take it as lightly as people here on SC

18 U.S.C. § 1001 provides that:
[w]hoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States (A) knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or (B) makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or (C) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both

hmmm....if this is the section that would apply....Then (C) might apply if they presented a forged or fake invitation or ID. (B) might apply if they actually lied with their mouths when asked any question by the bouncer at the WH. The interesting one is (A) - covering up a material fact (the fact that they were not invited). Assuming they were not asked if they were invited and were asked only their names and they then showed their actual IDs to verify that, did they cover up the fact that they were not invited guests by their silence ? Are they required to volunteer that information, even if they were not specifically asked? And, that still doesn't address the problem of the failure of the verification process by the doorman.

That is just what the Service is investigating. If they just showed up and gave their names and were subsequently alwed to pass on in, and they did not lie at any time, then they didn't break any laws. It all hinges on what transpired between them and the guards.
Regardless of the outcome in that respect, the Service has a big mess to fix. I'm just happy these people were only publicity hounds and not genuine threats...unless you get to close to that horrendous outfit she was wearing. HIDEOUS! (Iknow, I know. It was traditional styling from India, but it looks like crap on her)

BTW, it has now come out that she has claimed to have been a Victoria Secret model and a former Redskins cheerleader. Both establishments have said they never heard of her. Seems she has a habit of lying.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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And then there's the possibility that they're not "crashers" at all.

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And then there's the possibility that they're not "crashers" at all.

Absolutely. I have been saying all along that "if" they did not have an invite, "if" they lied, etc. Could be they were invited at the last minute and their names never put on any official guest list

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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One of the facets of Tourettes has always fascinated.
It is effect of blurting out thoughts without control.

Politicians are usually masters of that type of control.
It always amazed me that he has survived in the political environment.

It would be worth a few thousand to sit at his table and pound some drinks.
He would be an absolute hoot to get toasted and tell dirty jokes with.


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The security people should be moved to other duties immediately.
They failed at the definition of their job.

"Blue 5. Mount Rushmore south-face is secure."