stitch 0 #1 December 4, 2008 http://blog.ryjones.org/2008/11/25/cross-hs-precision-off-my-list/ Speculations are flying all over the internet after rifle manufacturer H-S Precision used an endorsement from Lon Horiuchi on the back cover of their catalog. I ordered a new catalog from their webite tonight just to see if it would show up with that page attached. H-S Precision hasn't issued any sort of statement so far as to why they would use him as a spokesman. According to John Rich, Lon Horiuchi is an actual H-S Precision employee, although I can't find any facts to back this up."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 December 4, 2008 Split off from the "DPMS LR 308" thread, to get people up to speed here on this new thread: QuoteA theory being circulated is the ad company that made up their catalogs didn't know who LH was and thought statements printed on the back of the catalog would help rather than hurt the company. Apparently someone f'ed up. I'm going to follow this to see how it plays out. It doesn't really matter if they just pull his feature off the back page of the catalog. That's not good enough. The fact is, they have in their employ, a former FBI sniper who has murdered one or more people in bad shootings, and he's being used by them to sell sniper rifles to the FBI. That's unacceptable, and politically incorrect as hell. It's like using a Charles Manson endorsement to sell record albums from the Beetles:"Charles loves the old Beetles albums, especially the "white" album, and the song "Helter Skelter". He really digs the secret messages telling him to start a race war by murdering whites and blaming it on blacks, and he's also taken this cue to build his hideout in the desert to escape the oncoming war. Why don't you buy this album too, and see what it speaks to you?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 December 4, 2008 And here's the news item from Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (RMGO) showing an image of the H-S Precision advertisement featuring Lon Horiuchi: http://www.rmgo.org/email/hsprecision.htm He signs the endorsement "FBI Program Manager & COTR", presumably of H-S Precision. (What the heck is "COTR"?) Yeah, he's the one that shot Randy Weaver's wife to death while she was standing in a doorway holding a baby, in Idaho. And he also fired rounds on the Branch Davidian's in Texas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 December 4, 2008 More research... The RMGO message is a little confusing and could be misinterpreted. Correction: Horiuchi does not actually seem to be an employee of H-S Precision. He is the Contracting Officer's Technical Representative (COTR), or in other words, the federal employee with the FBI, who is responsible for the technical evaluation of FBI sniper rifles from various manufacturers. He has endorsed the H-S rifle, but is not an employee of H-S. H-S is using his endorsement in advertising on their catalog. That's still a bad move to use an infamous murderer in an advertisement endorsing your product. H-S could have talked about how they won the sniper rifle competition for the FBI, without mentioning Horiuchi's role in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,393 #5 December 4, 2008 Perhaps their marketing dept was inspired by this scene from "Full Metal Jacket": QuoteHARTMAN Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? No response. HARTMAN None of you dumbasses knows? COWBOY raises his hand. HARTMAN Private Cowboy? COWBOY Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir! HARTMAN That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twenty people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. HARTMAN looks around. HARTMAN Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Almost everybody raises his hand. HARTMAN Private Snowball? SNOWBALL Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir! HARTMAN That's right, and do you know how far away he was? SNOWBALL Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir! The recruits laugh at "suppository. " HARTMAN All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? JOKER raises his hand. HARTMAN Private Joker? JOKER Sir, in the Marines, sir! HARTMAN In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing! "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #6 December 4, 2008 Quote Split off from the "DPMS LR 308" thread, to get people up to speed here on this new thread: Quote A theory being circulated is the ad company that made up their catalogs didn't know who LH was and thought statements printed on the back of the catalog would help rather than hurt the company. Apparently someone f'ed up. I'm going to follow this to see how it plays out. It doesn't really matter if they just pull his feature off the back page of the catalog. That's not good enough. The fact is, they have in their employ, a former FBI sniper who has murdered one or more people in bad shootings, and he's being used by them to sell sniper rifles to the FBI. That's unacceptable, and politically incorrect as hell. It's like using a Charles Manson endorsement to sell record albums from the Beetles:"Charles loves the old Beetles albums, especially the "white" album, and the song "Helter Skelter". He really digs the secret messages telling him to start a race war by murdering whites and blaming it on blacks, and he's also taken this cue to build his hideout in the desert to escape the oncoming war. Why don't you buy this album too, and see what it speaks to you?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle --http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jIEGZwLPvoSpell ther name right dumbass. They derserve the respect.(Tina said that) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4TsI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #7 December 4, 2008 Quote(What the heck is "COTR"?) Within federal agencies it usually means a specialized contracting officer, one who is certified to recommend, make, sign, and amend contracts for the government, e.g., between the FBI & private contractors. All COTRs are also Contracting Officers (COs), but all COs are not COTRs. Stands for Contracting Officer Technical Representative or some such. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #8 December 4, 2008 QuoteSplit off from the "DPMS LR 308" thread, to get people up to speed here on this new thread: QuoteA theory being circulated is the ad company that made up their catalogs didn't know who LH was and thought statements printed on the back of the catalog would help rather than hurt the company. Apparently someone f'ed up. I'm going to follow this to see how it plays out. It doesn't really matter if they just pull his feature off the back page of the catalog. That's not good enough. The fact is, they have in their employ, a former FBI sniper who has murdered one or more people in bad shootings, and he's being used by them to sell sniper rifles to the FBI. That's unacceptable, and politically incorrect as hell. I don't know, who better than a murderer to advertize murder weapons. Embarrassing to you, maybe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
