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QuoteThe guy is not going to be killed in there. He will simply be in solitary.
I have no issue with that. I just want to see reasonable discussions of the DP and how they should be viewed rather than the emotive/escalatory strawman arguments people bring out. (And, though the anti-DP people can't seem to get away from tangential arguments, I also believe there are those that are Pro-DP for the wrong reasons also......)
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Butters 0
QuoteDP is state sponsored MURDER.... and REVENGE MURDER at that... and I dont want my state ( which then includes me in with the people who revel in it)doing things that go against that which is not right.
The death penalty is state sponsored execution not murder. If the death penalty is used for revenge then it is barbaric. However, if the death penalty is used for other reasons it can be civilized.
QuoteSo what "civilization" are you trying to revel in.....will N. Korea do..... How about FUndamentalist states like Iran...or numerous other islamist radical states.. .. I am sure all of them also feel they are civilized... but... that isw the company you want our country to be in and emulate
There you go again making broad generalizations ... Do you believe that North Korea, Iran, etc... have only negative attributes? If you don't, then why do you believe that sharing some attributes with North Korea, Iran, etc.. can only be negative. If you do,
."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
Butters 0
QuoteI want them to suffer the loss of their humanity.. since they are incapable of living with other humans.
So you believe in torture but not execution ... very civilized.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
Richards 0
QuoteI just want to see reasonable discussions of the DP and how they should be viewed rather than the emotive/escalatory strawman arguments people bring out.
In Speakers Corner?
Quote(And, though the anti-DP people can't seem to get away from tangential arguments, I also believe there are those that are Pro-DP for the wrong reasons also......)
I think you know what my gut response is to animals like this but I have had reservations about DP as of late. Mostly because of the risk of killing a wrongfully convicted person.
Anyway, this thread seems to have gone of on a tangent towards DP. My primary reason for wanting to have this guy go to max sesurity is not due to a visceral bloodlust or desire to see vigilante action (not that I feel a thread of compassion towards the guy). I just want him put away for good.
His lawyer is playing up a minimal risk to get his guy a cushy incarceration somewhere. In the same way that some lawyers pull the old "my client will face persecution if deported" every time we try to deport a terrorist or major criminal, I do not want to see lawyers getting violent pedophiles put into minimum security or other cushy accomodations because lawyers start playing the "my client will be at risk" card. We have put all kinds of violent sex offenders and child murderers behind bars (clifford olsen, paul bernardo, peter whitmore...etc) and they have gotten by unscathed.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteI just want to see reasonable discussions of the DP and how they should be viewed rather than the emotive/escalatory strawman arguments people bring out.
In Speakers Corner?
{{reality hits me - much like an iceball thrown at my ear. I'd help people a lot more by just supporting Kallend's effort to explain the idiocy behind the 45 degree exit myth - or even the futile head beating of the best way to structure exit order with people that don't understand math or physics}}
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI want them to suffer the loss of their humanity.. since they are incapable of living with other humans.
So you believe in torture but not execution ... very civilized.
She is not advocating whipping or pulling toenails out. She points out that the punishment aspect of prison should include the loss of humanity and personal interaction. If a person commits a savage crime against an innocent person, we cannot kill him nor can we torture him. It seems right however to deny him teh pleasures of interacting with humanity be it via direct interaction or media (written or televised). He should be removed from society in every way possible short of actually killing him.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
rehmwa 2
QuoteHe should be removed from society......
whatever way does it without doubt is fine with me. nothing personal, I just want to protect 5.99 billion others from him
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
BIGUN 1,081
Death by Bunga Bunga.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteDeath by Bunga Bunga.
Doesn't happen to pedophiles because they go into isolation. Small defenceless guys who are in for drug offences however...........................................
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Butters 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI want them to suffer the loss of their humanity.. since they are incapable of living with other humans.
So you believe in torture but not execution ... very civilized.
She is not advocating whipping or pulling toenails out. She points out that the punishment aspect of prison should include the loss of humanity and personal interaction. If a person commits a savage crime against an innocent person, we cannot kill him nor can we torture him. It seems right however to deny him teh pleasures of interacting with humanity be it via direct interaction or media (written or televised). He should be removed from society in every way possible short of actually killing him.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I currently believe that dehumanizing an individual and completely removing all human interaction is a form of torture (and would be considered cruel and unusual punishment).
PS: I also currently believe it would be more civilized to execute the individual.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
Richards 0
QuoteI guess we will have to agree to disagree because I currently believe that dehumanizing an individual and completely removing all human interaction is a form of torture (and would be considered cruel and unusual punishment).
Yes we will have to disagree. I consider it punishment.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
I can see why your perspective gives you that outlook. In an application of the DP for the sake of society, it absolutely must NOT have a revenge aspect to it. Some people are just unwilling to look at it in that light.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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