Texas Governor mandates STD vaccine for 11 and 12 year old girls.

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Texas Governor Rick Perry has issued an executive order (circumventing the legislature) mandating that 11 and 12 year old girls receive the new HPV vaccine before entering the 6th grade.

The governor's office press release can be read here and a news story about the ramifications of the executive order here.

[ExAFO 0]

Uber repost.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[Lindercles 0]

Ok, I changed my search parameters and found that it had indeed been posted once before. Sorry about that. But if you'll kindly inform me what exactly constitutes an "uber" repost, I'll try to refrain from uber reposting anything in the future.

[kelpdiver 2]

there, I fixed the title for you.

[Lindercles 0]

There's no such thing as an anti cancer vaccine. The vaccination is for HPV, which as an STD that can lead to cervical cancer (but doesn't always). HPV itself is not cancer.

[NCclimber 0]

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HPV itself is not cancer.

It's the new Polio. Ask Kallend.

[base428 1]

It won't be long before joggers will be required to wear a helmet and knee pads. They could fall and hurt themselves. Thank God the government is here to protect us.....what would we do without them.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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There's no such thing as an anti cancer vaccine. The vaccination is for HPV, which as an STD that can lead to cervical cancer (but doesn't always). HPV itself is not cancer.

let me guess, you're a man?

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It won't be long before joggers will be required to wear a helmet and knee pads. They could fall and hurt themselves. Thank God the government is here to protect us.....what would we do without them.

I dunno, but when your wife/daughter dies of cervical cancer, let us know.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[miked10270 0]

It's a frickin' vaccine that'll prevent a disease! Nothing more.

Girls are routinely vaccinated against Rubella. As far as I know having the vaccination doesn't make them want to get pregnant by a Spotty German!.. Does it!!? That in effect is the Morality-Police's argument against this vaccine.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Lindercles 0]

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let me guess, you're a man?

Care to explain why that matters?

[kelpdiver 2]

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let me guess, you're a man?

Care to explain why that matters?

your claim that this vaccine doesn't prevent cancer probably rings a bit hollow to the women out there.

[base428 1]

Doesn't alcohol and smoking kill more people each year? Why are there no laws to protect us from drinking or smoking too much? We should ban all alcohol and cigarettes. Don't some of you claim that alcoholism is a deadly "disease"?

Immunizations are good, as I mentioned before. But don't make it a LAW to be immunized. Don't tell me my kid can't go to school without immunizations when I pay taxes that go straight to the school system.

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I dunno, but when your wife/daughter dies of cervical cancer, let us know.

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[Lindercles 0]

I never claimed it doesn't prevent cancer. I said it's not an anti cancer vaccine. It's an HPV vaccine, and HPV sometimes, but not always (not by a longshot) causes cancer, but is not itself cancer.

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It's a frickin' vaccine that'll prevent a disease! Nothing more.

Girls are routinely vaccinated against Rubella. As far as I know having the vaccination doesn't make them want to get pregnant by a Spotty German!.. Does it!!? That in effect is the Morality-Police's argument against this vaccine.

Mike.

Git own wit yo bad sef.

[Andy9o8 0]

It would take a heapful of hard evidence to convince me that we are not a MUCH more healthy society not just because of immunizations, but because immunizations are mandated for schoolchildren, whose parents might not otherwise get off their asses to get their kids vaccinated.

No parents want to face the possibility that their daughters might start becoming sexually active at, say, age 15, but it sure as hell happens. Vaccinating all girls by their early teens is logically timely, and making it mandatory across the board removes the "my little girl would never..." factor. If it promotes public health, the "morality" argument just doesn't wash with me.

That being said, I understand that the Texas Gov has some ties to the pharmaceutical industry; and yes, I do think it's proper to examine that, too. And if there are questions about the safety of this particular formulation of the vaccine, then yes, it's proper to examine that, too.

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That being said, I understand that the Texas Gov has some ties to the pharmaceutical industry; and yes, I do think it's proper to examine that, too. And if there are questions about the safety of this particular formulation of the vaccine, then yes, it's proper to examine that, too.

Taking your second point first, this vaccine has also been passed across Europe, so there's no shortage of evidence on its safety.

Your other point was something I queried in the previous thread; The COST of the Texas Vaccine. The British NHS has costed the vaccine at £65 a course/person. Call it $120. Yet... Texas costs the vaccine at $360 a course/person!

I never really got a satisfactory answer about the 3X price-hike beyond my own vague thought that it may be that Texas has cited the TOTAL cost of the vaccine, including doctor, nurse, pharmacy time, while the Euros have only costed the vaccine itself since the Doctor, Nurse, etc... Are already bought and paid for under socialised medicine.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[billvon 2,406]

>Why are there no laws to protect us from drinking or smoking too much?

Uh, there are, lots of em. Walk around your home town and see in what places smoking and drinking are illegal, and note the penalties for public intoxication, driving while intoxicated etc.

>We should ban all alcohol and cigarettes. Don't some of you claim that
>alcoholism is a deadly "disease"?

No one is suggesting a ban.

>Immunizations are good, as I mentioned before. But don't make it a
>LAW to be immunized. Don't tell me my kid can't go to school without
>immunizations when I pay taxes that go straight to the school system.

1) We do that already. Your kids can be removed from school for disciplinary, educational and/or medical reasons - and you'll still have to pay taxes.

2) There is benefit in immunizing a population. Polio, for example, is now almost entirely eradicated. Once the last carrier is gone, the disease is gone forever. So governments have to weigh the benefits of violating someone's civil rights (i.e. forcing them to get a vaccine) with the potential benefits of ending a disease for everyone on the planet forever.

[base428 1]

No need to cite drinking laws when I'm talking about the INGESTION of alcohol. It kills people through liver disease, alcohol poisoning, etc. Sure, public intox and DUI are against the law, but that's not the topic. Sure, smoking in a school might be illegal, but it's the ACT of smoking that I'm discussing. Drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes are perfectly legal to consume/smoke in your own home. Going off on tangents might do you good in some threads, but not this one.......

Now, I'll repeat it one more time. Why aren't alcohol and cigarettes illegal, since they kill millions each year? If our lawmakers are so concerned about our health, they should start with Budweiser and Marlboro. Money just *might* have something to do with it eh?

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[kallend 1,635]

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HPV itself is not cancer.

It's the new Polio. Ask Kallend.

Eighty percent of American women by the age of 50 will have had HPV at some point in their lives, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Roughly 4,000 American women die each year from cervical cancer, which is primarily caused by the HPV virus.

Nothing for you to worry about, fella! You don't have a cervix.

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[billvon 2,406]

>Why aren't alcohol and cigarettes illegal, since they kill millions each year?

Alcohol - because we evolved to use it as a food, and because it's not dangerous used in moderation, and because when you drink it in your house it doesn't harm anyone else.

Tobacco - you'd have a good argument there. I suspect the reason it's not is that few people destroy their lives quickly with tobacco; normally it takes years. Also, your tobacco use in your home does not harm anyone else.

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>Why aren't alcohol and cigarettes illegal, since they kill millions each year?

Alcohol - because we evolved to use it as a food, and because it's not dangerous used in moderation, and because when you drink it in your house it doesn't harm anyone else.

Tobacco - you'd have a good argument there. I suspect the reason it's not is that few people destroy their lives quickly with tobacco; normally it takes years. Also, your tobacco use in your home does not harm anyone else.

I'd attribute it more to just plain social attitudes, grounded as much or more on emotion than on logic. Prime example: keeping alcohol legal (except for Prohibition), while making marijuana illegal.

BTW, smoking in one's home does potentially harm other people in the home second-hand smoking that smoke.

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Now, I'll repeat it one more time. Why aren't alcohol and cigarettes illegal, since they kill millions each year? If our lawmakers are so concerned about our health, they should start with Budweiser and Marlboro. Money just *might* have something to do with it eh?

There is a big difference between outlawing something that might have a negative health impact on an individual and requiring something that will almost certainly have a positive health impact on society. If scientists come up with an AIDS vaccine, you will certainly see schools requiring it for enrolment, no matter how unlikely your child or children may be to contract aids through recreation drug use or unprotected sex. It's not about protecting your kids or legislating morality; it's about protecting society from infectious diseases.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

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HPV itself is not cancer.

It's the new Polio. Ask Kallend.

Eighty percent of American women by the age of 50 will have had HPV at some point in their lives, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Roughly 4,000 American women die each year from cervical cancer, which is primarily caused by the HPV virus.

There are over 100 HPVs, not just one, as your post implies.

How many HPVs are linked to cervical cancer?

What percentage of American women are infected with one of thoses HPVs?

Of those women who get infected, what percentage will not go undetected?

Among those who go undetected, what percentage will develop cervical cancer?

Among those who develop cervical cancer, what percentage will die?

[kallend 1,635]

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HPV itself is not cancer.

It's the new Polio. Ask Kallend.

Eighty percent of American women by the age of 50 will have had HPV at some point in their lives, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Roughly 4,000 American women die each year from cervical cancer, which is primarily caused by the HPV virus.

There are over 100 HPVs, not just one, as your post implies.

How many HPVs are linked to cervical cancer?

What percentage of American women are infected with one of thoses HPVs?

Of those women who get infected, what percentage will not go undetected?

Among those who go undetected, what percentage will develop cervical cancer?

Among those who develop cervical cancer, what percentage will die?

Stupid questions - not everyone who got polio died from it or was paralyzed, yet we still think the vaccine was worthwhile. Not everyone who got measles died, yet we still think the vaccine was worthwhile.

Cervical cancer is still VERY NASTY even if the woman survives. Clearly not something that bothers YOU though.


Your questions should be -

How many cervical cancers are linked to HPV?
How can we eliminate HPV?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.