Evolution - Satan's biggest brilliant and magnificent plan !!

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evolution is not a fact period

Which of the following are fact or religion;

The speed of light.
Doppler shift.
Radio active half-life.
The K-T Boundary.
Aerodynamics.

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I'm curious.

Would you be able to make a reasoned argument in favor of creationism v. evolution in your own words?

I say this because your profile indicates you're from South Africa, yet you write (I suspect copy and paste) as if you're in the U.S.

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Now, Let's say you came home from work tonight and a big headline in the paper said, Chaplain opened Congress with prayer! Atheist house democrat protests to the A.C.L.U., Threats of court action ensue.

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Why are our Supreme Court judges and other federal judges so very sensitive to religious overtones in our public schools yet so insensitive to the pornography that floods our federally regulated communication systems. Many laws made by congress have been declared unconstitutional by the supreme court on the grounds of INFERENCE.

If these are your own words, then why would you write them with U.S. references?

Opps . . . http://www.raysofsonlight.com/tract_archives.phtml?arc=26 . . . sorry, had to bust ya.

From this point forward, please either credit quoted works or write your own.

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I'm curious.

Would you be able to make a reasoned argument in favor of creationism v. evolution in your own words?

I say this because your profile indicates you're from South Africa, yet you write (I suspect copy and paste) as if you're in the U.S.

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Now, Let's say you came home from work tonight and a big headline in the paper said, Chaplain opened Congress with prayer! Atheist house democrat protests to the A.C.L.U., Threats of court action ensue.

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Why are our Supreme Court judges and other federal judges so very sensitive to religious overtones in our public schools yet so insensitive to the pornography that floods our federally regulated communication systems. Many laws made by congress have been declared unconstitutional by the supreme court on the grounds of INFERENCE.

If these are your own words, then why would you write them with U.S. references?

Opps . . . http://www.raysofsonlight.com/tract_archives.phtml?arc=26 . . . sorry, had to bust ya.

From this point forward, please either credit quoted works or write your own.

It takes to long ..you evolutionists ..you side step the subject everytime - quite good with that really - by any means possible instead of addressing the fact that your kid is getting fed crap as fact at school - if i agree with something why do i have to go and type the exact same thing ..some people put my view down in black and white in a bit more orderly fashion(thanx) - please stick to the program

If school permits evolution to be taught etc. it should permit creationism as well until one is proven as absolute outright bull...would that be fair or not ?

If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it

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If school permits evolution to be taught etc. it should permit creationism as well until one is proven as absolute outright bull...would that be fair or not ?

Absolutely fair. Evolution in science class, creationism in religion class.

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If school permits evolution to be taught etc. it should permit creationism as well until one is proven as absolute outright bull...would that be fair or not ?

Absolutely fair. Evolution in science class, creationism in religion class.

why ? there's no difference creation and evolution are both theories ...

If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it

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Creationism is NOT science based is NOT taught as a theory, it taught as faith based religious study (the right place for it) - completely different from the Theory of Evolution, which IS science based (the science may in time proove to be flawed - but it is still based upon science NOT faith).

get over it already.

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Creationism is NOT science based is NOT taught as a theory, it taught as faith based religious study (the right place for it) - completely different from the Theory of Evolution, which IS science based (the science may in time proove to be flawed - but it is still based upon science NOT faith).

get over it already.

Dude you can't explain this to someone who already knows the truth.

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I’m only trying inspire someone out here and start a thought process that if all goes well go a little further than us being here for no reason at all.

Ok heres a thought process to get you started….

The marsupial population of Australia contains animal families, genera, and species found nowhere else on earth - not even in fossil form. We are to suppose that each species of marsupial managed to get from Mt. Ararat to Australia, but couldn't find its way to any other part of the world - including those regions located between Turkey and Australia.

Despite the fact that most marsupial species seem to be out-gunned when they are forced to compete with placental mammals (hence the extinction of so many marsupial species after the introduction of European mammals), we are to suppose that wombats and wallabies, bandicoots and koalas, kept ahead of lions-'n-tigers-'n-bears all the way to Indonesia, and then - although the superior placental predators couldn't manage it - continued on to Australia.

As if this were not mind-boggling enough, after all this implausible world travel, and after all the dust had settled, it turns out that the types of marsupials that made it to Australia just happened to form an ensemble able to fill all the ecological niches available!

HELLO Skysaint old boy, care to comment.....care to attempt to refute what I have to say... or as with all religious types are you opting for the ignore the facts and hope they will go away option??

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Evolution is not a belief, it's a theory, you can choose to believe it or not, but it's one of the most tested, supported and rigorous theories in science and utterly misunderstood by most people, especially American Christians.

In my opinion it's one of the great pinnacles of modern science and to discover time after time that it is confirmed and a century after Darwin to discover & understand DNA and reproduction is one of the more profound and beautiful accomplishments of man in support of the theory of evolution, as foundations go it's utterly solid. This is not like Newtonian Physics where a behaviour is described but fundamentally inaccurate at some limit of precision or unexplained beyond behaviour & outcomes with no underlying mechanism (without subsequent work). The mechanism is laid bare for all to see, it's not just an explanation, it is understood and is consistent at a profound level and the newer discoveries absolutely fit with the old theory.

Any rational person should be profoundly ashamed to blurt nonsense about it being evil or wrong, you're adopting the mantle of those who persecuted Galileo and burned Giordano Bruno at the stake, its' a shameful legacy of human ignorance and hypocrisy that you should turn away from.

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Creationism is NOT science based is NOT taught as a theory, it taught as faith based religious study (the right place for it) - completely different from the Theory of Evolution, which IS science based (the science may in time proove to be flawed - but it is still based upon science NOT faith).

get over it already.

Please don't get upset her bro ... just because the majority think that creationism is religion or faith only does not make it that...and that's what I’m saying and debating here if you bought into the security of the majority fair enough...Creation can be scientifically studied as an opposing factor to evolution as there are major flaws with this wonky crappy fading theory of evolution - evolution is just a theory although science try to prove it makes no difference.The same principles can be applied for creation and both theories should then be investigated from a science point of view ...what is everybody so scared of ??

If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it

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Creation can be scientifically studied as an opposing factor to evolution

No it can't, thats the point.
Edited - or if it can, it always comes down to an explanation of "because the bible says so" and ignores all the real evidence.

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there are major flaws with this wonky crappy fading theory of evolution

Nope, wrong yet again

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Creation can be scientifically studied as an opposing factor to evolution

No it can't, thats the point.
Edited - or if it can, it always comes down to an explanation of "because the bible says so" and ignores all the real evidence.

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there are major flaws with this wonky crappy fading theory of evolution

Nope, wrong yet again

brilliant really informative answers !!!!!!!!!!!

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The answers have been given to you time and again, but "blind faith" really is an appropriate term.

So i give up.

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Creationism is NOT science based is NOT taught as a theory, it taught as faith based religious study (the right place for it) - completely different from the Theory of Evolution, which IS science based (the science may in time proove to be flawed - but it is still based upon science NOT faith).

get over it already.

Please don't get upset her bro ... just because the majority think that creationism is religion or faith only does not make it that...and that's what I’m saying and debating here if you bought into the security of the majority fair enough...Creation can be scientifically studied as an opposing factor to evolution as there are major flaws with this wonky crappy fading theory of evolution - evolution is just a theory although science try to prove it makes no difference.The same principles can be applied for creation and both theories should then be investigated from a science point of view ...what is everybody so scared of ??

Plate tectonics, circuits, and numbers are all also theories. Should we stop teaching geology, electricity, and math? Or do you recognize that scientific theories are different than religious theories.

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there are major flaws with this wonky crappy fading theory of evolution - evolution is just a theory although science try to prove it makes no difference.The same principles can be applied for creation and both theories should then be investigated from a science point of view ...what is everybody so scared of ??

Theories are what science is based on and as theories go evolution is as good as it gets. Newton's "Laws" are actually wrong, you do know that dont you?

There is no reasoning with a belief. Propose a theory with a scientific framework, present an experiment or premise that can be confirmed by subsequent discovery, but really Evolution has already passed these tests a thousand times over. It's been tested, and so has creationism, evolution has passed on the other hand creationism has to be constantly revised to fit the inconvenient data, so much so that no two Christian groups agree on a range of creationist issues. It used to be heliocentrism was a big hangup, now you can ask how many creationists believe the Earth is 4 billion years old? What's your outer bound for the age of the Universe? What about all those other stars up there in the sky? What about the strata of creatures in the fossil record what's the explanation? There are a plethra of other scientific disciplines that utterly refute the hodgepodge of creationist nonsense. The Bible has proven to be embarrassingly useless as a tool for predicting the outcome of scientific discovery and moreover creationists have persecuted & burned scientists and philosophers at the stake when the facts get a little too uncomfortable for them.

..and you have the cheek to post that evolution is wonky & fading!? Evolution will only fade as ignorance grows and minds close.

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It takes to long .. if i agree with something why do i have to go and type the exact same thing ..some people put my view down in black and white in a bit more orderly fashion(thanx) - please stick to the program

It is called integrity. Quote your source. I believe the Bible teaches about integrity.

BTW, I'm a Christian, a theologian, a pastor, I'm not "against" you, but you are losing any credibility you had when you plagarize, then dodge the issue when called for it. Just my opinion though.

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The answers have been given to you time and again, but "blind faith" really is an appropriate term.

So i give up.

Relate(metaphor) as example - make of it what you want ...
Matrix : "You've already made the choice. Now you just have to understand why you made it" -- and -- "You can't see past the choices you don't understand." Those are hard lines. It's like one hand clapping, and the difference between a duck. What these words mean is that it's hard to know why you did something. You may think you've opted for the chicken or the steak, but have you really? Are you perhaps going with the crowd, or compensting for an irritable stomach, or have you recently read an article about free-range chickens? That is what the Merovingian says. Your why is that your environment directs you toward this choice or that one, and so that is what you do.

We feel in our deepest selves that this is not ultimately true, though. I am not a number! I am a free man! So how do you make a choice that is truly free? It is not easy, and Neo shows us precisely how difficult it is. You have to release everything, and pass between the pillars of fear and desire, above the blackened sky of the world, out of the world and into the timelessness of being, so that nothing -- nothing -- can make you do what you do. There becomes only will: the will to go back down below the clouds into the painful realm of time and act.

In Revolutions we see Neo get to that place. No purpose. Neither fear, nor desire. Only will. The gift, the sacrifice, made by will alone, and it overcomes everything. There is no higher why.

Smith asks, "Why, Mr. Anderson, why do you persist?" And Neo's reply is,

Because I choose to.

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What is this crapola? Matrix philosophy as philosophical inquiry?! Please discuss the issues without reference jibberish like "one hand clapping" or Hollywood dialog.

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It takes to long .. if i agree with something why do i have to go and type the exact same thing ..some people put my view down in black and white in a bit more orderly fashion(thanx) - please stick to the program

It is called integrity. Quote your source. I believe the Bible teaches about integrity.

BTW, I'm a Christian, a theologian, a pastor, I'm not "against" you, but you are losing any credibility you had when you plagarize, then dodge the issue when called for it. Just my opinion though.

OK sorry really - i have not been to forum school - will do from now..

Thx

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What is this crapola? Matrix philosophy as philosophical inquiry?! Please discuss the issues without reference jibberish like "one hand clapping" or Hollywood dialog.

I said make of it what you want - if you don't understand why i sent this then so be it.

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You obviously haven't read enough because you haven't read the consistent, accurate and scientific explanations that many people have given you in previous threads.

Actually, all I've read in the previous threads, spouts verbatim, everything mentioned in this article. Just because you are able to throw in a few Latin names to give the appearance of higher reasoning doesn't make it so.

I do believe that one of the main drives behind evolutionary thinking is not to really find out where we came from, but to prove that there is no god.

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You obviously haven't read enough because you haven't read the consistent, accurate and scientific explanations that many people have given you in previous threads.

Actually, all I've read in the previous threads, spouts verbatim, everything mentioned in this article. Just because you are able to throw in a few Latin names to give the appearance of higher reasoning doesn't make it so.

I do believe that one of the main drives behind evolutionary thinking is not to really find out where we came from, but to prove that there is no god.

What latin names did i throw in?

Your second point is a valid opinion, however i disagree, i know a number of true christians who believe quite happily in evolutionary theory and see no conflict.
Plus, i don't think evolutionary theory could prove that. it may well change somebodies interpretation of how he works but that has happened throughout hstory with every new scientific discovery. why should this be any different?

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I’m only trying inspire someone out here and start a thought process that if all goes well go a little further than us being here for no reason at all.

Ok heres a thought process to get you started….

The marsupial population of Australia contains animal families, genera, and species found nowhere else on earth - not even in fossil form. We are to suppose that each species of marsupial managed to get from Mt. Ararat to Australia, but couldn't find its way to any other part of the world - including those regions located between Turkey and Australia.

Despite the fact that most marsupial species seem to be out-gunned when they are forced to compete with placental mammals (hence the extinction of so many marsupial species after the introduction of European mammals), we are to suppose that wombats and wallabies, bandicoots and koalas, kept ahead of lions-'n-tigers-'n-bears all the way to Indonesia, and then - although the superior placental predators couldn't manage it - continued on to Australia.

As if this were not mind-boggling enough, after all this implausible world travel, and after all the dust had settled, it turns out that the types of marsupials that made it to Australia just happened to form an ensemble able to fill all the ecological niches available!

HELLO Skysaint old boy, care to comment.....care to attempt to refute what I have to say... or as with all religious types are you opting for the ignore the facts and hope they will go away option??

http://evolution.mbdojo.com/flood.html

Thanks

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You've not upset me and I'm not scared of the truth. I maybe see the world through different eyes to you and that's all well and good - life in SC would be soo dull if we all agreed.

Faith has no meaning in my life and I cant (not wont) see the point.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome