Casurf1978 0 #26 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe Reagan administration’s reaction to AIDS is complex and goes far beyond Reagan’s refusal to speak out about the epidemic Because speaking out about it would stopped it dead in it's tracks. 20 years later still no cure and I bet it's because of Reagan.[/reply Read the book And the Band Played On. It chronicles the first 5 years of the AIDS epidemic. The Reagan admin did jack in the begining. I'm not saying they could've stopped it, but at least they could've done something rather than sit on their asses and wait till 1987 to mention the word AIDS. Six years after the first reoperted case. And what did he offer, widespread routine testing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #27 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteBy the end of that year 59,572 AIDS cases had been reported and 27,909 of those women and men had died. How could this happen? How could Reagan not say anything? Do anything? There are only three situations where a person is truly a victim of aids. Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. There is a simple prevention. It's called" keep it in your pants." I also believe that alot of people want a cure for all the wrong reasons. The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a legitimate reason to prevent a disease. If someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry for you because of your foolishness? QuoteThere are only three situations where a person is truly a victim of aids. Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. How about nurses who have needle stick mishaps? They should die too, they are culpable. Actually, all but the three above are a bunch of dirty fags, right? QuoteThere is a simple prevention. It's called" keep it in your pants." Any risky behavior, and let's face it, EVERYTHING is risky anymore, carries a degree of risk. If we abstain, we live in small worlds afraid of life. QuoteI also believe that alot of people want a cure for all the wrong reasons. The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a legitimate reason to prevent a disease. Huh? Come again? SO the very 3 innocent groups you listed are going to die so the very fags, as you would call them, can die too. Let me go out on a limb here..... you are pro capital punishment, even tho we kill an innocent man on occassion..... it's just collateral damage, right Timothy (McVeigh)? AIDS or not, people are going to kill, have sex, and engage in risky behavior, like skydiving..... even if they know it might kill them. That's it, innocent people are killed by the skydiving business, a business and hobby/sport people voluntarily engage in, so maybe it would be the right thing to do to outlaw it. QuoteIf someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry for you because of your foolishness? If someone says, "Don't jump, it might kill you, should anyone feel sorry for those who die? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #28 June 5, 2006 QuoteHIV / AIDS is such a funny topic standalone, Never said it was. If you would have read my post you might have gotten that. QuoteI don't see why it's diificult to in interject comedy or satire. After reading your post I dont think you would have been able to understand it anyway QuoteYour compassion nausiates me. I'll make sure to make a note of that and place it in my file labeled "I dont give a damn" QuoteRookie, as in rookie cop? Not even close. Quote Just a guess Keep on guessing. You eventually might get it right.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #29 June 5, 2006 QuoteAnd what did he offer, widespread routine testing. What else was there to do then? Even when he did mention it and throw something out there people still bitched that it want enough.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #30 June 5, 2006 >Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who >has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. And doctors who catch it from needle sticks. And women who catch it from their husbands. And men who catch it from their wives. And men who catch it from women who (as far as they know) do not have the disease. And men who catch it from men who think the same thing. >The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a >legitimate reason to prevent a disease. So you feel lung cancer and heart disease do not have legitimate reasons to justify work on a cure? (After all, if one does not smoke or overeat, exercises regularly, and avoids areas of high air pollution, the majority of those cases would disappear.) >If someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry >for you because of your foolishness? Would you feel sorry if a friend of yours was paralyzed due to a skydiving accident? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #31 June 5, 2006 QuoteHuh? Come again? SO the very 3 innocent groups you listed are going to die so the very fags, as you would call them, can die too. As you would call them? When did he ever say anything of the such? You are just throwing bombs at everybody. Since you did such a piss poor job guessing who I was I'm gonna say your doing the same with this guy now. Quote Let me go out on a limb here I want to cut the whole thing down Quote you are pro capital punishment, even tho we kill an innocent man on occassion..... it's just collateral damage, right Timothy (McVeigh)? AIDS or not, people are going to kill, have sex, and engage in risky behavior, like skydiving..... even if they know it might kill them. That's it, innocent people are killed by the skydiving business, a business and hobby/sport people voluntarily engage in, so maybe it would be the right thing to do to outlaw it. He you go again labeling people. Why dont you speak with some facts instead of trying to rip the person apart. If you spent half the amount of time talking about the issue as you do saying how people you dont know are in life, we might be able to discuss somethings here.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #32 June 5, 2006 Quote>Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who >has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. And doctors who catch it from needle sticks. And women who catch it from their husbands. And men who catch it from their wives. And men who catch it from women who (as far as they know) do not have the disease. And men who catch it from men who think the same thing. >The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a >legitimate reason to prevent a disease. So you feel lung cancer and heart disease do not have legitimate reasons to justify work on a cure? (After all, if one does not smoke or overeat, exercises regularly, and avoids areas of high air pollution, the majority of those cases would disappear.) >If someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry >for you because of your foolishness? Would you feel sorry if a friend of yours was paralyzed due to a skydiving accident? Great minds think alike....... I wrote many of the same things in a recent post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #33 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteHIV / AIDS is such a funny topic standalone, Never said it was. If you would have read my post you might have gotten that. QuoteI don't see why it's diificult to in interject comedy or satire. After reading your post I dont think you would have been able to understand it anyway QuoteYour compassion nausiates me. I'll make sure to make a note of that and place it in my file labeled "I dont give a damn" QuoteRookie, as in rookie cop? Not even close. Quote Just a guess Keep on guessing. You eventually might get it right. QuoteAfter reading your post I dont think you would have been able to understand it anyway So you were considering levity... special. Often it's the people who advocate against public help for various social issues, but when they need help they vry the loudest and act the most surprised. So are you afraid that good money that could be turned into bombs would instead be directed into saving people's lives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #34 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteHuh? Come again? SO the very 3 innocent groups you listed are going to die so the very fags, as you would call them, can die too. As you would call them? When did he ever say anything of the such? You are just throwing bombs at everybody. Since you did such a piss poor job guessing who I was I'm gonna say your doing the same with this guy now. Quote Let me go out on a limb here I want to cut the whole thing down Quote you are pro capital punishment, even tho we kill an innocent man on occassion..... it's just collateral damage, right Timothy (McVeigh)? AIDS or not, people are going to kill, have sex, and engage in risky behavior, like skydiving..... even if they know it might kill them. That's it, innocent people are killed by the skydiving business, a business and hobby/sport people voluntarily engage in, so maybe it would be the right thing to do to outlaw it. He you go again labeling people. Why dont you speak with some facts instead of trying to rip the person apart. If you spent half the amount of time talking about the issue as you do saying how people you dont know are in life, we might be able to discuss somethings here. QuoteAs you would call them? When did he ever say anything of the such? You are just throwing bombs at everybody. Since you did such a piss poor job guessing who I was I'm gonna say your doing the same with this guy now. The whole post focuses on your occupation.... whatever. One has to guess why a person would be so incompassionate to social issues and it seems many cops are like that; you have "Rookie" as your usename - did the math. QuoteHe you go again labeling people. Why dont you speak with some facts instead of trying to rip the person apart. If you spent half the amount of time talking about the issue as you do saying how people you dont know are in life, we might be able to discuss somethings here I'm not tearing anyone apart, just curious of the incompassion. Thrith is, ignorance generally fuels that kind of incompassion. As for, "how you are in life," I think you bring that home by yourself. HMMMmmmmmm, I wonder why the other side doesn't address the whole, "risky behavior" thing? Could it be that we are engaged in the riskiest behavior by many definitions and there is no real good rebuttal? So with your logic, the paramedics show up, turn and say, "Oh, he was skydiving, we don't have the budget to care for people who engage in risky, foolish behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #35 June 5, 2006 QuoteI was disgnosed with HIV last year. I contracted it by having unprotected sex with my partner of 3 years (whom was seeing other people behind my back). I am sorry for your situation. I do not know you personally,nor am I attacking you personally. In todays society of promiscuity, where just having sex for sex sake is the status quo, one would do well to approach every potential relationship with a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality. Your life could be on the line. Again, I am not picking on you personally.I do not know where, why, or how you met your boyfriend. Chances are, that cheating on his mate was probably a lifestyle with him, and there were probably red flags that you chose to ignore. Especially if you were in love with him. As for my victims list, I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental contact with the disease. QuoteWe are all human, this is a community disease, it must be tackled with us together as a community.You have pointed it out quite clearly. Sex should not be a community activity, which it seems to have become. I have personally been celibate since 1990, after my exwife-God rest her soul- decided that a party lifestyle was more important than living a quiet, peaceful life with a jerk like me. I would prefer to live in a self imposed exile, and remain healthy, than be exiled by my community because of something that I brought upon myself simply because I had to fulfill my sexual lust. If those who have contracted the disesase through, as I put it " bad behavior", had practised as much saftey and precaution as is used in skydiving they more than likely would not be where they are at. As for being ignorant of aids, I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable. Staying away from large crowds of people in the winter will greatly decrease your chance of getting a cold or the flu. If you don't have to do it , don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,651 #36 June 5, 2006 Quote I have personally been celibate since 1990 ... a jerk like me. . Explains a lot.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #37 June 5, 2006 QuoteSo you feel lung cancer and heart disease do not have legitimate reasons to justify work on a cure? (After all, if one does not smoke or overeat, exercises regularly, and avoids areas of high air pollution, the majority of those cases would disappearYou have pretty much answered your own question. If a person does all of the right things and the contracts the disease through genetic predisposition, that person should be the first to receive treatment. How many people have you seen getting treated for lung cancer, and refuse to stop smoking in order to give treatment a decent chance? Do you remember Mickey Mantle, the baseball player. He turned out to be a drunk, but because of his celebrity status, he received a transplant liver and was dead within months. I personally consider that a waste. If you have a forty pound beer belly and complain about a bad back, you do not deserve my compassion. The pregnant woman, on the other hand does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #38 June 5, 2006 QuoteChances are, that cheating on his mate was probably a lifestyle with him, and there were probably red flags that you chose to ignore. Especially if you were in love with him. Your first comments on how/why people get HIV was way wrong, and now you're compounding the mistake with lousy assumptions like this. You apparently know nothing of flying-wench's circumstance -- is it really worth making shit up just so you can continue to believe your own incorrect notions on the topic? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,651 #39 June 5, 2006 QuoteMcKinney, Kennedy, Jefferson, Reid. The Culture of Corruption marches onwards . . . . . I think you missed a few Republicans in that list.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #40 June 5, 2006 Quote Read the book And the Band Played On. This is an excellent book.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #41 June 5, 2006 QuoteI think you missed a few Republicans in that list. I had some Republicans in the list, but I ended up editing them out to keep the list contained to one line. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #42 June 5, 2006 QuoteI have personally been celibate since 1990 And because of this you think others should follow in your footsteps on the road of moral living? Who made you the morals police? I have been without since 02 and not by choice. No poz women that I know of in this area. I'm sure there is but they seem to be not very open. Wish they were, gurantee I'd be all over them. Sorry if that offends your sense of morality but I place pussy high on the list of things I like. The last girlfriend was also poz and yes we used protection so not to re-infect. You can place yourself in exile if that is how you wish to live. I'm alive and wish to live like eachday is the last. If by chance I meet someone and she just wants sex, no strings attached, hell yes, I am taking it. I am human and I am a man who does not live as if I am in prison and I certianly will not put myself in exile. QuoteAs for my victims list, I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental contact with the disease. I really have to refrain on this one. QuoteIf those who have contracted the disesase through, as I put it " bad behavior", had practised as much saftey and precaution as is used in skydiving they more than likely would not be where they are at.Quote Shit happens. A person can do everything right and still get infected. Condoms can and do break. But then your answer to ending the epidemic is simply keeping it in your pants. Where were you 25 years ago. With such forward thinking this epidemic could had been stopped in its tracks. ***As for being ignorant of aids, I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable No you do not need to know the medical jargon, but you do need to know the basic facts about HIV/AIDS before you can make an intelligent statement. Click the link and educate yourself and try and see past your preconcieved misconception. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/index.htm I post these things so that maybe people will learn from it. There is far more info available today than there was 11 years ago when I contracted HIV. At the time I have never heard of HIV. I heard of AIDS, but thought it was only gay people who got it. Knowing what I know now I see how uninformed I was. I hear people say that they could NEVER contract the virus. Hmmm, with the amount of info that is available I find such statement to be foolish. Hope you learn something."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #43 June 5, 2006 >I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. Fair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the disease. >I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable. Well, you sorta do. If you don't know how the disease is transmitted, or how it's managed, or what 'viral load' means, then you're not going to be able to talk about it very well. Imagine having a conversation with a whuffo who thought you were crazy for skydiving, but didn't know skydivers used reserves. Would you take his opinion seriously? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #44 June 5, 2006 >I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. QuoteFair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the diseaseJust to be clear, I'm not including those who got drunk, got laid, and just can't imagine where they would've gotten it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,651 #45 June 5, 2006 Quote>I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. QuoteFair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the diseaseJust to be clear, I'm not including those who got drunk, got laid, and just can't imagine where they would've gotten it. Your sig line is totally at variance with the attitude you show in this thread.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #46 June 5, 2006 QuoteYour sig line is totally at variance with the attitude you show in this thread.Following the crowd and doing the same as everyone else is not what I would call living on the edge. A self sustaining lifestyle is not someplace most people care to go. Now, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I'll take my licks without complaint, then I'd be living on the edge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #47 June 5, 2006 QuoteI'm alive and wish to live like eachday is the last. If by chance I meet someone and she just wants sex, no strings attached, hell yes, I am taking it.So, by this statment, you have validated my point that continuation of bad behavior is one of the driving forces behind a cure for aids, or have you decided that your time is limited and you are going to live life to the fullest as you perceive it: screw the consequences. To listen to you, one would assume that there is no virtue or reward in living of life of self control, which, by the way, generally takes far greater strength and resolve than just blowing through life, consequences be damned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #48 June 5, 2006 QuoteNow, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I don't think you're supposed to do it back ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,651 #49 June 5, 2006 Quote Now, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I'll take my licks without complaint, then I'd be living on the edge. What exactly do you think my lifestyle is? (Hint: I'm a 60 year old monogamous heterosexual male).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #50 June 5, 2006 >continuation of bad behavior is one of the driving forces behind a cure for aids . . . I know some of the people working on cures and treatments for AIDS, and not one of them advocates bad behavior. Indeed, they are the people yelling the loudest for condom usage, abstinence and regular testing. AIDS will be eradicated not by abstinence, or by condom usage, or by a treatment/vaccine, but by a combination of all three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Lucky... 0 #27 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteBy the end of that year 59,572 AIDS cases had been reported and 27,909 of those women and men had died. How could this happen? How could Reagan not say anything? Do anything? There are only three situations where a person is truly a victim of aids. Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. There is a simple prevention. It's called" keep it in your pants." I also believe that alot of people want a cure for all the wrong reasons. The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a legitimate reason to prevent a disease. If someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry for you because of your foolishness? QuoteThere are only three situations where a person is truly a victim of aids. Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. How about nurses who have needle stick mishaps? They should die too, they are culpable. Actually, all but the three above are a bunch of dirty fags, right? QuoteThere is a simple prevention. It's called" keep it in your pants." Any risky behavior, and let's face it, EVERYTHING is risky anymore, carries a degree of risk. If we abstain, we live in small worlds afraid of life. QuoteI also believe that alot of people want a cure for all the wrong reasons. The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a legitimate reason to prevent a disease. Huh? Come again? SO the very 3 innocent groups you listed are going to die so the very fags, as you would call them, can die too. Let me go out on a limb here..... you are pro capital punishment, even tho we kill an innocent man on occassion..... it's just collateral damage, right Timothy (McVeigh)? AIDS or not, people are going to kill, have sex, and engage in risky behavior, like skydiving..... even if they know it might kill them. That's it, innocent people are killed by the skydiving business, a business and hobby/sport people voluntarily engage in, so maybe it would be the right thing to do to outlaw it. QuoteIf someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry for you because of your foolishness? If someone says, "Don't jump, it might kill you, should anyone feel sorry for those who die? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #28 June 5, 2006 QuoteHIV / AIDS is such a funny topic standalone, Never said it was. If you would have read my post you might have gotten that. QuoteI don't see why it's diificult to in interject comedy or satire. After reading your post I dont think you would have been able to understand it anyway QuoteYour compassion nausiates me. I'll make sure to make a note of that and place it in my file labeled "I dont give a damn" QuoteRookie, as in rookie cop? Not even close. Quote Just a guess Keep on guessing. You eventually might get it right.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #29 June 5, 2006 QuoteAnd what did he offer, widespread routine testing. What else was there to do then? Even when he did mention it and throw something out there people still bitched that it want enough.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #30 June 5, 2006 >Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who >has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. And doctors who catch it from needle sticks. And women who catch it from their husbands. And men who catch it from their wives. And men who catch it from women who (as far as they know) do not have the disease. And men who catch it from men who think the same thing. >The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a >legitimate reason to prevent a disease. So you feel lung cancer and heart disease do not have legitimate reasons to justify work on a cure? (After all, if one does not smoke or overeat, exercises regularly, and avoids areas of high air pollution, the majority of those cases would disappear.) >If someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry >for you because of your foolishness? Would you feel sorry if a friend of yours was paralyzed due to a skydiving accident? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #31 June 5, 2006 QuoteHuh? Come again? SO the very 3 innocent groups you listed are going to die so the very fags, as you would call them, can die too. As you would call them? When did he ever say anything of the such? You are just throwing bombs at everybody. Since you did such a piss poor job guessing who I was I'm gonna say your doing the same with this guy now. Quote Let me go out on a limb here I want to cut the whole thing down Quote you are pro capital punishment, even tho we kill an innocent man on occassion..... it's just collateral damage, right Timothy (McVeigh)? AIDS or not, people are going to kill, have sex, and engage in risky behavior, like skydiving..... even if they know it might kill them. That's it, innocent people are killed by the skydiving business, a business and hobby/sport people voluntarily engage in, so maybe it would be the right thing to do to outlaw it. He you go again labeling people. Why dont you speak with some facts instead of trying to rip the person apart. If you spent half the amount of time talking about the issue as you do saying how people you dont know are in life, we might be able to discuss somethings here.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #32 June 5, 2006 Quote>Children who are born to someone who has the disease,Someone who >has received a bad blood transfusion, and someone who is the victim of rape. And doctors who catch it from needle sticks. And women who catch it from their husbands. And men who catch it from their wives. And men who catch it from women who (as far as they know) do not have the disease. And men who catch it from men who think the same thing. >The desire to continue a lifestyle of bad behavior is not a >legitimate reason to prevent a disease. So you feel lung cancer and heart disease do not have legitimate reasons to justify work on a cure? (After all, if one does not smoke or overeat, exercises regularly, and avoids areas of high air pollution, the majority of those cases would disappear.) >If someone says "Don't touch it, it's hot." Why should anyone feel sorry >for you because of your foolishness? Would you feel sorry if a friend of yours was paralyzed due to a skydiving accident? Great minds think alike....... I wrote many of the same things in a recent post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #33 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteHIV / AIDS is such a funny topic standalone, Never said it was. If you would have read my post you might have gotten that. QuoteI don't see why it's diificult to in interject comedy or satire. After reading your post I dont think you would have been able to understand it anyway QuoteYour compassion nausiates me. I'll make sure to make a note of that and place it in my file labeled "I dont give a damn" QuoteRookie, as in rookie cop? Not even close. Quote Just a guess Keep on guessing. You eventually might get it right. QuoteAfter reading your post I dont think you would have been able to understand it anyway So you were considering levity... special. Often it's the people who advocate against public help for various social issues, but when they need help they vry the loudest and act the most surprised. So are you afraid that good money that could be turned into bombs would instead be directed into saving people's lives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #34 June 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteHuh? Come again? SO the very 3 innocent groups you listed are going to die so the very fags, as you would call them, can die too. As you would call them? When did he ever say anything of the such? You are just throwing bombs at everybody. Since you did such a piss poor job guessing who I was I'm gonna say your doing the same with this guy now. Quote Let me go out on a limb here I want to cut the whole thing down Quote you are pro capital punishment, even tho we kill an innocent man on occassion..... it's just collateral damage, right Timothy (McVeigh)? AIDS or not, people are going to kill, have sex, and engage in risky behavior, like skydiving..... even if they know it might kill them. That's it, innocent people are killed by the skydiving business, a business and hobby/sport people voluntarily engage in, so maybe it would be the right thing to do to outlaw it. He you go again labeling people. Why dont you speak with some facts instead of trying to rip the person apart. If you spent half the amount of time talking about the issue as you do saying how people you dont know are in life, we might be able to discuss somethings here. QuoteAs you would call them? When did he ever say anything of the such? You are just throwing bombs at everybody. Since you did such a piss poor job guessing who I was I'm gonna say your doing the same with this guy now. The whole post focuses on your occupation.... whatever. One has to guess why a person would be so incompassionate to social issues and it seems many cops are like that; you have "Rookie" as your usename - did the math. QuoteHe you go again labeling people. Why dont you speak with some facts instead of trying to rip the person apart. If you spent half the amount of time talking about the issue as you do saying how people you dont know are in life, we might be able to discuss somethings here I'm not tearing anyone apart, just curious of the incompassion. Thrith is, ignorance generally fuels that kind of incompassion. As for, "how you are in life," I think you bring that home by yourself. HMMMmmmmmm, I wonder why the other side doesn't address the whole, "risky behavior" thing? Could it be that we are engaged in the riskiest behavior by many definitions and there is no real good rebuttal? So with your logic, the paramedics show up, turn and say, "Oh, he was skydiving, we don't have the budget to care for people who engage in risky, foolish behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #35 June 5, 2006 QuoteI was disgnosed with HIV last year. I contracted it by having unprotected sex with my partner of 3 years (whom was seeing other people behind my back). I am sorry for your situation. I do not know you personally,nor am I attacking you personally. In todays society of promiscuity, where just having sex for sex sake is the status quo, one would do well to approach every potential relationship with a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality. Your life could be on the line. Again, I am not picking on you personally.I do not know where, why, or how you met your boyfriend. Chances are, that cheating on his mate was probably a lifestyle with him, and there were probably red flags that you chose to ignore. Especially if you were in love with him. As for my victims list, I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental contact with the disease. QuoteWe are all human, this is a community disease, it must be tackled with us together as a community.You have pointed it out quite clearly. Sex should not be a community activity, which it seems to have become. I have personally been celibate since 1990, after my exwife-God rest her soul- decided that a party lifestyle was more important than living a quiet, peaceful life with a jerk like me. I would prefer to live in a self imposed exile, and remain healthy, than be exiled by my community because of something that I brought upon myself simply because I had to fulfill my sexual lust. If those who have contracted the disesase through, as I put it " bad behavior", had practised as much saftey and precaution as is used in skydiving they more than likely would not be where they are at. As for being ignorant of aids, I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable. Staying away from large crowds of people in the winter will greatly decrease your chance of getting a cold or the flu. If you don't have to do it , don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #36 June 5, 2006 Quote I have personally been celibate since 1990 ... a jerk like me. . Explains a lot.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #37 June 5, 2006 QuoteSo you feel lung cancer and heart disease do not have legitimate reasons to justify work on a cure? (After all, if one does not smoke or overeat, exercises regularly, and avoids areas of high air pollution, the majority of those cases would disappearYou have pretty much answered your own question. If a person does all of the right things and the contracts the disease through genetic predisposition, that person should be the first to receive treatment. How many people have you seen getting treated for lung cancer, and refuse to stop smoking in order to give treatment a decent chance? Do you remember Mickey Mantle, the baseball player. He turned out to be a drunk, but because of his celebrity status, he received a transplant liver and was dead within months. I personally consider that a waste. If you have a forty pound beer belly and complain about a bad back, you do not deserve my compassion. The pregnant woman, on the other hand does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #38 June 5, 2006 QuoteChances are, that cheating on his mate was probably a lifestyle with him, and there were probably red flags that you chose to ignore. Especially if you were in love with him. Your first comments on how/why people get HIV was way wrong, and now you're compounding the mistake with lousy assumptions like this. You apparently know nothing of flying-wench's circumstance -- is it really worth making shit up just so you can continue to believe your own incorrect notions on the topic? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #39 June 5, 2006 QuoteMcKinney, Kennedy, Jefferson, Reid. The Culture of Corruption marches onwards . . . . . I think you missed a few Republicans in that list.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #40 June 5, 2006 Quote Read the book And the Band Played On. This is an excellent book.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #41 June 5, 2006 QuoteI think you missed a few Republicans in that list. I had some Republicans in the list, but I ended up editing them out to keep the list contained to one line. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #42 June 5, 2006 QuoteI have personally been celibate since 1990 And because of this you think others should follow in your footsteps on the road of moral living? Who made you the morals police? I have been without since 02 and not by choice. No poz women that I know of in this area. I'm sure there is but they seem to be not very open. Wish they were, gurantee I'd be all over them. Sorry if that offends your sense of morality but I place pussy high on the list of things I like. The last girlfriend was also poz and yes we used protection so not to re-infect. You can place yourself in exile if that is how you wish to live. I'm alive and wish to live like eachday is the last. If by chance I meet someone and she just wants sex, no strings attached, hell yes, I am taking it. I am human and I am a man who does not live as if I am in prison and I certianly will not put myself in exile. QuoteAs for my victims list, I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental contact with the disease. I really have to refrain on this one. QuoteIf those who have contracted the disesase through, as I put it " bad behavior", had practised as much saftey and precaution as is used in skydiving they more than likely would not be where they are at.Quote Shit happens. A person can do everything right and still get infected. Condoms can and do break. But then your answer to ending the epidemic is simply keeping it in your pants. Where were you 25 years ago. With such forward thinking this epidemic could had been stopped in its tracks. ***As for being ignorant of aids, I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable No you do not need to know the medical jargon, but you do need to know the basic facts about HIV/AIDS before you can make an intelligent statement. Click the link and educate yourself and try and see past your preconcieved misconception. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/index.htm I post these things so that maybe people will learn from it. There is far more info available today than there was 11 years ago when I contracted HIV. At the time I have never heard of HIV. I heard of AIDS, but thought it was only gay people who got it. Knowing what I know now I see how uninformed I was. I hear people say that they could NEVER contract the virus. Hmmm, with the amount of info that is available I find such statement to be foolish. Hope you learn something."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #43 June 5, 2006 >I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. Fair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the disease. >I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable. Well, you sorta do. If you don't know how the disease is transmitted, or how it's managed, or what 'viral load' means, then you're not going to be able to talk about it very well. Imagine having a conversation with a whuffo who thought you were crazy for skydiving, but didn't know skydivers used reserves. Would you take his opinion seriously? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #44 June 5, 2006 >I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. QuoteFair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the diseaseJust to be clear, I'm not including those who got drunk, got laid, and just can't imagine where they would've gotten it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,651 #45 June 5, 2006 Quote>I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. QuoteFair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the diseaseJust to be clear, I'm not including those who got drunk, got laid, and just can't imagine where they would've gotten it. Your sig line is totally at variance with the attitude you show in this thread.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #46 June 5, 2006 QuoteYour sig line is totally at variance with the attitude you show in this thread.Following the crowd and doing the same as everyone else is not what I would call living on the edge. A self sustaining lifestyle is not someplace most people care to go. Now, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I'll take my licks without complaint, then I'd be living on the edge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #47 June 5, 2006 QuoteI'm alive and wish to live like eachday is the last. If by chance I meet someone and she just wants sex, no strings attached, hell yes, I am taking it.So, by this statment, you have validated my point that continuation of bad behavior is one of the driving forces behind a cure for aids, or have you decided that your time is limited and you are going to live life to the fullest as you perceive it: screw the consequences. To listen to you, one would assume that there is no virtue or reward in living of life of self control, which, by the way, generally takes far greater strength and resolve than just blowing through life, consequences be damned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #48 June 5, 2006 QuoteNow, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I don't think you're supposed to do it back ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,651 #49 June 5, 2006 Quote Now, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I'll take my licks without complaint, then I'd be living on the edge. What exactly do you think my lifestyle is? (Hint: I'm a 60 year old monogamous heterosexual male).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #50 June 5, 2006 >continuation of bad behavior is one of the driving forces behind a cure for aids . . . I know some of the people working on cures and treatments for AIDS, and not one of them advocates bad behavior. Indeed, they are the people yelling the loudest for condom usage, abstinence and regular testing. AIDS will be eradicated not by abstinence, or by condom usage, or by a treatment/vaccine, but by a combination of all three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 2,435 #43 June 5, 2006 >I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. Fair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the disease. >I don't need to know all of the medical jargon to make me knowledgable. Well, you sorta do. If you don't know how the disease is transmitted, or how it's managed, or what 'viral load' means, then you're not going to be able to talk about it very well. Imagine having a conversation with a whuffo who thought you were crazy for skydiving, but didn't know skydivers used reserves. Would you take his opinion seriously? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #44 June 5, 2006 >I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. QuoteFair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the diseaseJust to be clear, I'm not including those who got drunk, got laid, and just can't imagine where they would've gotten it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #45 June 5, 2006 Quote>I should amend it to include anyone who comes into accidental >contact with the disease. QuoteFair enough - but you have now included 99.9% of people who have the diseaseJust to be clear, I'm not including those who got drunk, got laid, and just can't imagine where they would've gotten it. Your sig line is totally at variance with the attitude you show in this thread.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #46 June 5, 2006 QuoteYour sig line is totally at variance with the attitude you show in this thread.Following the crowd and doing the same as everyone else is not what I would call living on the edge. A self sustaining lifestyle is not someplace most people care to go. Now, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I'll take my licks without complaint, then I'd be living on the edge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #47 June 5, 2006 QuoteI'm alive and wish to live like eachday is the last. If by chance I meet someone and she just wants sex, no strings attached, hell yes, I am taking it.So, by this statment, you have validated my point that continuation of bad behavior is one of the driving forces behind a cure for aids, or have you decided that your time is limited and you are going to live life to the fullest as you perceive it: screw the consequences. To listen to you, one would assume that there is no virtue or reward in living of life of self control, which, by the way, generally takes far greater strength and resolve than just blowing through life, consequences be damned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #48 June 5, 2006 QuoteNow, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I don't think you're supposed to do it back ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #49 June 5, 2006 Quote Now, if I chose your lifestyle, and said consequences be damned, I'll take my licks without complaint, then I'd be living on the edge. What exactly do you think my lifestyle is? (Hint: I'm a 60 year old monogamous heterosexual male).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #50 June 5, 2006 >continuation of bad behavior is one of the driving forces behind a cure for aids . . . I know some of the people working on cures and treatments for AIDS, and not one of them advocates bad behavior. Indeed, they are the people yelling the loudest for condom usage, abstinence and regular testing. AIDS will be eradicated not by abstinence, or by condom usage, or by a treatment/vaccine, but by a combination of all three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
