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Michele 1
To paraphrase Benny, I never said Clinton was found guilty during the trial phase (that's the part of the Senate).
I submit that his admission of guilt after the impeachment and the hearings were complete, and to prevent any additional criminal proceedings is all I need to know about his guilt.
Ciels-
Michele
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I submit that his admission of guilt after the impeachment and the hearings were complete, and to prevent any additional criminal proceedings is all I need to know about his guilt.
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
QuoteI though the subject was Clinton.
Actually the subject was Kerry, but as usual, the right wingers have to compare everyone and everything to Clinton. It reminds me of how the Church Lady from SNL is always going on about Satan.
QuoteWhat I find incomprehensible is that during the process of impeachment he was found not guilty and you guys still seem to think that equals guilty. Plus the fact that this man led the nation through 8 of its most peaceful and prosperous years ever despite the fact that he was under constant attack by the Republican party. And you still choose to ignore this and make his testimony before that grand jury the most critical part of his administration. But, that's what happens when people are more concerned when guys lie about their "little missiles" than when guys lie about "small and shortlived" budget deficits and real big missiles.
Benny,
For someone struts his education, "Note, by this I mean a job commensurate with my level of education as I don't have any desire to end up stuck behind a desk in a 9 to 5.", you seem to have a poor understanding of things political. The act of impeachment is the same as being indicted by a Grand Jury. The Articles of Impeachment mean there is cause to believe that the charges contained within may be true. It is then that the President is tried for the charges in the Articles of Impeachment. What Clinton did amounts to a ply bargain. You know and I know he was guilty as shit of lying under oath. And just to remain unbiased, Republican or Democrat, they all will and do lie to you, Clinton got caught.
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benny 0
Well Sparky, if you had read my earlier posts you would have seen that during the Senate trial which resulted from the impeachment, Clinton was found not guilty, under the workings of our political/legal system. Whereas that may not make him innocent, it sure as hell makes him not guilty. Go ahead, make ad hominem attacks against my education. Under the letter of the law, you're still wrong.
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Never go to a DZ strip show.
Muenkel 0
QuoteActually the subject was Kerry, but as usual, the right wingers have to compare everyone and everything to Clinton. It reminds me of how the Church Lady from SNL is always going on about Satan.
[church lady voice]Could it be that Clinton is.....SATAN[/church lady voice]
Chris
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Chris
QuoteWell Sparky, if you had read my earlier posts you would have seen that during the Senate trial which resulted from the impeachment, Clinton was found not guilty, under the workings of our political/legal system. Whereas that may not make him innocent, it sure as hell makes him not guilty. Go ahead, make ad hominem attacks against my education. Under the letter of the law, you're still wrong.
Benny,
You continue to hide behind the "letter of the law". Clinton was a slime ball. He lied and you know it. If he had been a mass murder and got off under "the letter of the law" he would still be a mass murder. If you stand behind this clown, which one of us is wrong?
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b1jercat 0
Funny Shit. I might remind you that lying about a B/J never got anyone killed as opposed to lying about WMD. Now I wonder who really is the slimeball?
blue skies
jerry
blue skies
jerry
Michele 1
QuoteI might remind you that lying about a B/J never got anyone killed
you don't think so? Um, do you recall Clinton, something like 2 days before the impeachment vote, spoke to the nation (oh, somewhere round about December 16, 1998...iirc), and explained why he was bombing Iraq?
It was either that he believed there were WMD (like he said in his speech that night to the nation), or it was because he was looking to distract folks from the impeachment vote....
Either way, people died. But I guess they don't count, right?
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
QuoteFunny Shit. I might remind you that lying about a B/J never got anyone killed as opposed to lying about WMD. Now I wonder who really is the slimeball?
blue skies
jerry
So you think that if Bush lied about WMD's that means that it's OK for Clinton to lie under oath? Clinton is a slimeball regardless of whether someone else ever told a lie.
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benny 0
QuoteQuoteFunny Shit. I might remind you that lying about a B/J never got anyone killed as opposed to lying about WMD. Now I wonder who really is the slimeball?
blue skies
jerry
So you think that if Bush lied about WMD's that means that it's OK for Clinton to lie under oath? Clinton is a slimeball regardless of whether someone else ever told a lie.
Do you really think it's all equal?
That's like, if I said "I have a 19 inch dick" vs. "that man is going to kill you if you don't kill him first" both are lies, one gets a slight chuckle and the other ends with someone dead. I ask you, which is worse?
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Do you really think it's all equal?
No I don't think that it's equal. I'm saying that one has nothing to do with the other. The argument is childish, It reminds me of my kids trying to get out of something by telling on the other one. That doesn't make one innocent, it makes them both guilty.
never pull low......unless you are
Benny,
Try and keep up, it not about being equal. Clinton lied under oath and was impeached for it. It had nothing to do with Bush, not Bush 1 or Bush 2. What part of lied under oath don't you understand.
Try and keep up, it not about being equal. Clinton lied under oath and was impeached for it. It had nothing to do with Bush, not Bush 1 or Bush 2. What part of lied under oath don't you understand.
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benny 0
QuoteBenny,
Try and keep up, it not about being equal. Clinton lied under oath and was impeached for it. It had nothing to do with Bush, not Bush 1 or Bush 2. What part of lied under oath don't you understand.
What part of "not guilty" do you not understand?
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Michele 1
QuoteWhat part of "not guilty" do you not understand?
What part of he admitted falsely testifying do you not understand?
The not guilty part means he got away with it. His admission means he wasn't prosecuted any further for it.
Sigh.
I'm pretty well done. This is going round and round...and I just don't feel like wasting my time.
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
QuoteQuoteBenny,
Try and keep up, it not about being equal. Clinton lied under oath and was impeached for it. It had nothing to do with Bush, not Bush 1 or Bush 2. What part of lied under oath don't you understand.
What part of "not guilty" do you not understand?
Benny, Benny,
No one said he was guilty, I am saying he lied under oath. Are you saying I am wrong?
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Muenkel 0
Benny,
I'm going to help you out here. There's a book called "Webster's Dictionary". Look up the word "lie". It does not mention anything about which is a bigger lie or not.
Chris
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Chris
I'm going to help you out here. There's a book called "Webster's Dictionary". Look up the word "lie". It does not mention anything about which is a bigger lie or not.
Chris
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Chris
Quote>Clinton was not convicted of any crimes, but he was impeached.
Which is akin to saying that Joe Smith was indicted for murder but found not guilty. You can, of course, claim that only the guilty are indicted etc but in our judicial system if you are found not guilty it means (legally) you didn't do it.
Bill,
He admitted he lied under oath, what does that make him? A not guilty liar.
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benny 0
QuoteQuote>Clinton was not convicted of any crimes, but he was impeached.
Which is akin to saying that Joe Smith was indicted for murder but found not guilty. You can, of course, claim that only the guilty are indicted etc but in our judicial system if you are found not guilty it means (legally) you didn't do it.
Bill,
He admitted he lied under oath, what does that make him? A not guilty liar.
OK, you or Michele find a specific quote of what Clinton actually said (the admission that is) I'm really curious
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky/
If you need more from a variety of different sources, just let me know. Always happy to help out.
If you need more from a variety of different sources, just let me know. Always happy to help out.
Quotehttp://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky/
If you need more from a variety of different sources, just let me know. Always happy to help out.
That article has innocent written all over it.
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Michele,
We are discussing impeachment. The topic was, and remains, impeachment.
Impeachment is the action of being accused of something. Being accused of something does not imply guilt. How difficult is that to understand?
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